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Old 02-13-2020, 05:39 AM
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Contemporary Hazards of the Gospel

In lands where the Church of Christ is not at all well-known or welcomed, persecution, in spite of efforts to combat the increase continues to experience the leading brunt of harm and misuse.
Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

(2 Timothy 3:12)
What of lands where Christian godliness can be found and where the message of the cross is chief, whom would you surely exclude?

I'll hold my encompassed answer till participation resumes.

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Old 02-22-2020, 06:28 PM
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I'll say, Vatican City? That's not a joke. Christians are persecuted and mocked everywhere to one degree or another. "Christian" Europe really is no longer Europe, and in America - well, we know what's happening here.
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Old 03-01-2020, 06:51 AM
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Agree brother! Ever since first hearing of Luke’s days of vengeance (Lk 21:22), yet still recognizing our carrying on with the work of the great commission, it took me quite a while before I began to put those days in their proper context.

Which in the beginning I thought surely, vengeance was meant for those who reject the Gospel. But Paul made it clear, he did not grapple with those who were of a determined refusal as far as the day-to-day maintenance of the message went.

For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside?
Do you not judge those who are inside?
But those who are outside God judges.


Because, two verses prior he states the concern wasn’t to avoid our interaction with immoral man but his influence, as well as his conduct, but a more specific attention rises out of this.

If God judges those who on the outside, yet we are to maintain presence everywhere, where will then those terrible signs be directed, and perplexity and widespread distress and natural disasters (v-25), who truly is to be excluded but whom Paul mentions to avoid – the disobedient brother.

Fast-forward to today and recap the current status of that same disobedient brother? Yes, he is still outside and has devised means to enter some other way and corrupt that exclusion till his conduct now maintains any remaining resemblance of the Apostle’s tradition AND teaching.

My point is, vengeance isn’t directed predominately at that “determined refusal” of the Gospel, but at that long refusal just outside and that quenching of the Spirit who enables our fruit to remain. That two-thousand yr-old disobedient brother isn’t as easily refused as he once was, for he taps upon every article, precept and teaching associated with Christ with ease except for one,

“God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth."

(John 4:24)

Gospel hazards are always spiritual, aside from the carnal babe in Christ, I don’t think the Father meant here it was just so and therefore WILL worship in Spirit, but, because disobedience happens and therefore must be redirected. We must always follow the Christ, who enables us to triumph, to God be the glory!

For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

(Luke 21:22)

God will stand by you, and own you, and assist you. This was remarkably fulfilled after the pouring out of the Spirit, by whom Christ gave his disciples wisdom and utterance. Though we may be losers for Christ, we shall not, we cannot be losers by him, in the end. It is our duty and interest at all times, especially in perilous, trying times, to secure the safety of our own souls.

-Matthew Henry Commentary

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Old 03-01-2020, 07:11 AM
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May God bless my most critical opponent

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Old 03-04-2020, 04:35 AM
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I think there is still deep rooted apprehension for reserving caution over the powerful influence of “sheep’s clothing”. Eschewing the care of God’s warnings on just how finely tuned deception comes along to trick us is anything but wise.

Is it still surprising when we evangelicals are faulted for upholding the final safeguard of our conduct for all things Christian? Both the erroneous scholar and the heathen can take part in the same reward,
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven
against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men,
who hold the truth in unrighteousness


(Romans 1:18)
The Holy Spirit, not man, made the great distinction for the Christian to follow – the Church and everything in it, or the Word and everything that would guide it.

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Old 06-08-2020, 04:43 AM
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I was awakened this morning by a dark-complexioned man in a dream whom the Lord was speaking through, calling me by name three times, concluding upon our struggles for the Gospel, ,

'I have what you need!'

I suggest, that is good advice! BTW, I knew he was dark though he was positioned around a corner from me, glory to God!

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Up to now from the scope of this thread, those contemplating Christ are given strong notice with a narrow pass. But God Didn’t Suggest Anything!

Although God overlooked the ignorance of earlier times, He now commands all people everywhere to repent.

(Acts 17:30)

So, what is the customary response to the command? In their thinking, is Jesus connected to it, or is their response seen as time again to slay the messenger in their heart (or worse) as our Lord himself declared? Is it not, the loving Spirit of Christ that helps us to welcome the command, happily, not eschew it?

So, it is safe to say, although we receive salvation by the work of the cross, and none else, , at the same time, we put off offending our own testimony that believes in that solitary work!

So, whether it is the child of God who was raised in a Christian home and reaches that point of personal acceptance, or that heathen who has split hell wide open that is snatched from a world’s inferno by His love, both the tenderness and strength of His love abides under His constant intersession for them.

What love! What mercy! What rich inheritance we have to secure!!

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So, what is the customary response to the command?
The Catechism states:
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115 According to an ancient tradition, one can distinguish between two senses of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual, the latter being subdivided into the allegorical, moral and anagogical senses. The profound concordance of the four senses guarantees all its richness to the living reading of Scripture in the Church.

116 The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: "All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal."83

117 The spiritual sense. Thanks to the unity of God's plan, not only the text of Scripture but also the realities and events about which it speaks can be signs.

1. The allegorical sense. We can acquire a more profound understanding of events by recognizing their significance in Christ; thus the crossing of the Red Sea is a sign or type of Christ's victory and also of Christian Baptism.84

2. The moral sense. The events reported in Scripture ought to lead us to act justly. As St. Paul says, they were written "for our instruction".85

3. The anagogical sense (Greek: anagoge, "leading"). We can view realities and events in terms of their eternal significance, leading us toward our true homeland: thus the Church on earth is a sign of the heavenly Jerusalem.86

With that in mind, I turn to the anagogical sense. This tells me that the "ignorance of earlier times" refers to all the people of the world who were totally unaware of God making himself to known to Abraham and the Hebrews. Their ignorance could be forgiven because they had no clue of the events that were happening.

But now, with the New Covenant of Christ being spread throughout the world, for Jew and non-Jew alike, there is no more excuse to not repent.
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The Catechism states:
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115 According to an ancient tradition, one can distinguish between two senses of Scripture: the literal and the spiritual, the latter being subdivided into the allegorical, moral and anagogical senses. The profound concordance of the four senses guarantees all its richness to the living reading of Scripture in the Church.

116 The literal sense is the meaning conveyed by the words of Scripture and discovered by exegesis, following the rules of sound interpretation: "All other senses of Sacred Scripture are based on the literal."83

117 The spiritual sense. Thanks to the unity of God's plan, not only the text of Scripture but also the realities and events about which it speaks can be signs.

1. The allegorical sense. We can acquire a more profound understanding of events by recognizing their significance in Christ; thus the crossing of the Red Sea is a sign or type of Christ's victory and also of Christian Baptism.84

2. The moral sense. The events reported in Scripture ought to lead us to act justly. As St. Paul says, they were written "for our instruction".85

3. The anagogical sense (Greek: anagoge, "leading"). We can view realities and events in terms of their eternal significance, leading us toward our true homeland: thus the Church on earth is a sign of the heavenly Jerusalem.86
With that in mind, I turn to the anagogical sense. This tells me that the "ignorance of earlier times" refers to all the people of the world who were totally unaware of God making himself to known to Abraham and the Hebrews. Their ignorance could be forgiven because they had no clue of the events that were happening.

But now, with the New Covenant of Christ being spread throughout the world, for Jew and non-Jew alike, there is no more excuse to not repent.
A wise and handy lineup!

On the Acts 17:30 context, I’m sure that was the case back then, only, am I at fault for feeling it wasn’t spoken of in bulk identifiable terms? For I feel it is safe to say, there were several compartmental degrees of knowledge, just as there are now. Even early on for example, on hand, the disciples themselves had a working knowledge of the feasts, kingdoms. So, though the context of the verse is spoken upon the whole of both as you have put it, I think the extensiveness should be given place.

Among this section of the Catechism is also the sub-listed #3. Wherein you apparently view His “leading”, is to be granted far shorter liberty than I. And if I were to take that a bit farther, I would say that even if under the guidance of those skilled in the meat of God’s word, if allowed to claim position, shouldn’t be given ear the day they declare it has happened for themselves,

“Today, if you will hear His voice, ,”

(Hebrews 3:13)

If I’m not mistaken, this unfortunately has been the greater part of contention between you and I.

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