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Old 12-15-2008, 04:50 PM
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I find it affensive that evolution is taught to all children in public schools when it is not proven and has many holes in it's theory! For example the missing link! Yet it is politically correct to take god away from school events! What are Christians to think and do of (about) this? If Israel recieved chastizement for rebelion are we to exspect that America as a nation will not? Are we to just sit back while and watch this nation make the virtues and statutes that this country was founded on become 2nd class and even no longer appropreate? Seeing as evolution is not fully supported if Creation is not an option for public studies than I think it is high time we as Christians stand up and say that evolution is not an option for public teaching as well! How can we go about this?
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Old 12-15-2008, 05:11 PM
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I agree, they are teacihn it as if it is a fact, and it is not. The theory of evolution has SOOOOO many holes in it, I find it appalling how it is even recongnised as possible. And atheists don't want religion preached in school and forced on children, but they are forcing EVOLUTION onto children and the BIG BANG onto children, and other crackpot theories. Atheists are the ultimate hypocrits, they think its OK to push atheism onto people just because it "isn't a religion"
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Old 12-16-2008, 07:58 AM
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I'm glad to see someone else see these things. It would be nice if we as Christians stood up against such! why haven't we?
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Old 12-16-2008, 12:56 PM
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I find it affensive that evolution is taught to all children in public schools when it is not proven and has many holes in it's theory! For example the missing link! Yet it is politically correct to take god away from school events! What are Christians to think and do of (about) this? If Israel recieved chastizement for rebelion are we to exspect that America as a nation will not? Are we to just sit back while and watch this nation make the virtues and statutes that this country was founded on become 2nd class and even no longer appropreate? Seeing as evolution is not fully supported if Creation is not an option for public studies than I think it is high time we as Christians stand up and say that evolution is not an option for public teaching as well! How can we go about this?

Totally agree. We are told if we want to have our kids learn of God then they need to go to a Christian school. The problem is that america has become so out of touch with God. We are accepting of many sinful things both in our schools and outside. I go over what my kids learn and make the corrections so they are not led astray.

As for the solution I cannot say what that would be.

America has put God in a box and cannot expect things to change until its view of God changes first.
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Old 12-16-2008, 01:36 PM
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Amen, I think we need to get some layers in washington to start standing up! With all the churches of today you would think it would be easy to throw out evolution from public teachings! Either way again God's will shall be done!
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Old 12-17-2008, 10:45 PM
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Evolution is just another way people can feel better about not believing God..........
people dont want to go to God........they will belive whatever "junk" they can as long as they dont have to go to God........

what's so funny is that my 11 year old daughter came home from school telling me about this "lie"..........11 year old can even see through the LIE that they want us and our kids to believe.....
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Old 12-19-2008, 03:29 PM
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OK this isn't about evolution but it is on topic in the sense of what our children are being taught in school today. With all of the politically correct things going around and new ideas popping up that our children are learning I wonder if anyone realizes the following. I found this on another website and thought it was worth sharing:

The politically incorrect truth about Kwanzaa

Maybe your child's "holiday" concert at school includes Kwanzaa songs these days. Our elementary school did. One grade each year was assigned that holiday, with a young student offering a brief explanation of what Kwanzaa is about, dressing in appropriate Kwanzaa accessories, and singing Kwanzaa songs.

Maybe your child's preschool teacher is reading aloud one of the many children's books on Kwanzaa which you also probably see displayed at your local library. Maybe as a craft, your little one is making a construction paper "kinara," the Kwanzaa candle holder.

Perhaps your children have been taught about Kwanzaa's seven principles: unity, self-determination, collective responsibility, cooperative economics, purpose, creativity, and faith.

Maybe you think that's all innocuous enough, right? Well, if your children are being taught what most of us have been led to believe -- i.e. that Kwanzaa is an ancient African tradition, celebrated at harvest time, and observed by blacks around the world -- they're being taught lies.

Despite the fact that it's now de rigueur for U.S. presidents to offer up an official Kwanzaa message annually, and for greeting card stores to display their Kwanzaa lines each year, and for the U.S. Postal Service to issue Kwanzaa stamps, and for children to assume Kwanzaa's up there with Christmas and Chanukah in terms of important holidays during this season, there's probably a lot you don't know about Kwanzaa.

Kwanzaa was invented in 1966 by black radical and ex-convict Ron Karenga, now known as Dr. Maulana Karenga. Karenga has an interesting history. He helped to found a radically anti-white organization called the United Slaves, because he believed that the Black Panthers were insufficiently violent.

Over the years, Kwanzaa has "evolved" from its original incarnation. Back in 1999, the official Kwanzaa website declared that the celebration was intended to foster "conditions that would enhance the revolutionary social change for the masses of Black Americans." Karenga created a black, red and green flag, along with a pledge to go along with it: "We pledge allegiance to the red, black and green, our flag, the symbol of our eternal struggle, and to the land we must obtain; one nation of black people, with one G-d of us all, totally united in the struggle, for black love, black freedom and black self-determination." The website's been cleaned up considerably since then. All that radical talk can't be good for selling Kwanzaa cards and "kinaras."

Those seven principles your children are learning about are the same seven principles of the Symbionese Liberation Army. Do you remember the famous photo of Patricia Hearst with the SLA banner in the background? Each head of that seven-headed cobra (the SLA symbol) represented one of the principles which today define the meaning of Kwanzaa.

In case you were wondering what the fourth principle of cooperative economics means, by the way, one of the many children's books on Kwanzaa offers an explanation: "Buying from each other is a good way to make a community strong."

And what about faith, the seventh priniciple? Does Kwanzaa have anything to do with religion or God? Uh, no. That helpful children's book clarifies it. "People can have faith in themselves, in their parents, in their teachers, and in their race." Anita Hill is pictured with the caption: "Law professor Anita Hill displays the imani [faith] principle by having faith in herself. Jesse Jackson is pictured with the caption: "Kwanzaa is a good time to study African-American leaders, such as Jesse Jackson." Not surprisingly, the first-ever black Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas didn't make the cut.

Did I mention that it's a holiday based on race? According to one of the many Kwanzaa websites, "The celebration of Kwanzaa is a means for Black people to reaffirm their commitment to themselves, their families, their community, and the black struggle for equality." As it says in another of the many children's books on Kwanzaa, "It celebrates a whole race of people." After one holiday concert, my then second-grader asked if we could celebrate Kwanzaa. I decided to save lengthier discussions for later, and gave the short answer: "No, because we're not black." Can you imagine schools, the media, and the culture in general embracing a holiday based on being white?

Despite what the official Kwanzaa website states, there is absolutely no evidence that the holiday is "celebrated by millions throughout the world African community." Nor is it "ancient," as the website declares. I doubt that most Africans have ever even heard of it, because it has no African roots. There is no harvest celebration in Africa in December.

Kwanzaa is a fraud. It is a holiday based on skin color. It is the invention of a former black nationalist and ex-convict.

And we are like the townsfolk in the story of The Emperor's New Clothes, afraid to say that he's just plain naked.

So you see folks, evolution isn't the only misguided "truth" being taught in schools today.
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Old 12-21-2008, 09:21 PM
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I just couldn't pass this short thread by without commenting.I am , as are a great many confessing and evangelical christians , a 'believer' in a form of evolution that involves the Creator.This is postulated in many forms but my particular position is referred to as Progressive Creationism.This is not to be confused with what is typically called Scientific Creationism.I won't detail Prog.Creatsm. that is better left to authors like Bernard Ramm in his book The Christian View of Science and Scripture.There is a great deal of credible evidence for mechanisms of evolution in the natural world.My position is that these mechanisms are not sufficient in and of themselves to have created the diversity and complexity of the earth and the rest of the universe and this is where idea of intelligent design comes into play.As to evolution being taught in public schools as a vice this is grossly misrepresented in general by it's detractors.The real culprit I think is the Secular Humanist philosophical position that is wrapped around the teaching of the sciences in both K-12 and college/university curricula.We deprive ourselves as christians of an immense amount of knowledge if we reject the discoveries of scientific inquiry just because the scientists hold to some form of the theory of evolution.Look into the careers and work of men like Francis Collins of the Human Genome project , John Polkinghorne and Alister McGrath to see that an evolutionary position in science can work in tandem with an evangelical faith.
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Old 12-23-2008, 02:13 AM
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I just couldn't pass this short thread by without commenting.I am , as are a great many confessing and evangelical christians , a 'believer' in a form of evolution that involves the Creator.This is postulated in many forms but my particular position is referred to as Progressive Creationism.This is not to be confused with what is typically called Scientific Creationism.I won't detail Prog.Creatsm. that is better left to authors like Bernard Ramm in his book The Christian View of Science and Scripture.There is a great deal of credible evidence for mechanisms of evolution in the natural world.My position is that these mechanisms are not sufficient in and of themselves to have created the diversity and complexity of the earth and the rest of the universe and this is where idea of intelligent design comes into play.As to evolution being taught in public schools as a vice this is grossly misrepresented in general by it's detractors.The real culprit I think is the Secular Humanist philosophical position that is wrapped around the teaching of the sciences in both K-12 and college/university curricula.We deprive ourselves as christians of an immense amount of knowledge if we reject the discoveries of scientific inquiry just because the scientists hold to some form of the theory of evolution.Look into the careers and work of men like Francis Collins of the Human Genome project , John Polkinghorne and Alister McGrath to see that an evolutionary position in science can work in tandem with an evangelical faith.
Progressive evolution is a popular theory among those who believe in a creator but do not take the Bible in a literal sense. But this is far from what they teach in Schools. Our public schools teach a form of evolution that omits God from the process utterly and completely.
I like what you said about secular humanist philosphical positions.
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Old 12-25-2008, 12:59 PM
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Progressive evolution and progressive creationism are not the same.Yes I know that neither are taught in public schools but I was expressing my particular stance on the subject.As to taking the bible in a literal sense that is a complicated subject.There are several positions that have a great amount to support them regarding interpretation of the first few chapters of Genesis as well as the chapters throughout the Hebrew scriptures that treat the subject of creation.I lean toward the Framework Theory or Literary Interpretation.This is well described in Henri Blocher's book In The Beginning from IVP among others.Science is never only the bare facts it is always the interpretation of the physical world through various methodologies.Long ages for the earth or evolutionary development of structures or species don't necessarily contradict the scriptures but the philosophical underpinings with which they are presented can be very anti-theistic or anti-christian.This is the issue with public and secular education.I think though , that the christian youth should be introduced to these issues and positions but with the background and philosophical base that that helps them to evaluate them critically not dogmatically.If we as christians just teach our children either in homeschooling or private schooling merely dogmas of the evangelical or fundamentalist positions but not the skills to evaluate each position (including non-christian) from there bases we impoverish and endanger there faith and commitment.
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