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Old 05-20-2009, 11:45 AM
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“Concern should drive us into action, not into depression.”~Karen Horney

I would like to address a problem in todays society that is going unnoticed. The problem is that parents are feeling overwhelmed and underqualified to raise their kids. They feel guilty when symptoms go unnoticed. They feel guilty when their own children are finally diagnosed with any number of issues.

The problem is uniquely described in the following post:

“Daniel,

You expressed that all modes of learning are acceptable but simply different and this is so true. With 3 of my own children, I noted that they used a combination of all modes but relied more on the traditional visual approach to learning. A third child perplexed me as although he used all modes of learning...each day and each subject and each teacher changed his needs!

As he grew he was able to explain to me how he processed new information and this helped me tremendously. I was able to come up with ways to present new ideas but it was a hit and miss kind of thing. Most teachers didn't have the time or motivation to focus on his needs.

Later he became very adept at learning independently. He was diagnosed this and that but depression was missed completely, missed by everyone including myself.

How could I know when he was so happy and at peace when we spent time together, we spent a great deal of time together due to his learning problems. Why was depression missed? How could this happen?? He was and is such a free spirit and full of energy and love and wanting adventure...full of faith and dreams and goals! But depression was missed by the doctors, the school , family and myself.
I who knew this child better than anyone missed it. How did this happen?”

From LikeTheWind7 from the Internet.

LikeTheWind, you asked:

"He was and is such a free spirit and full of energy and love and wanting adventure...full of faith and dreams and goals! But depression was missed by the doctors, the school , family and myself. I who knew this child better than anyone missed it. How did this happen?"

Let me tell you something, you missed the signs of depression because he did not have any when he was around you or anyone else.

Think of it this way. Your child went through life feeling happy, like everyone else. As he grew, his personality developed into the beautiful person he uniquely is. He found the best ways for him to experience life. He learned which senses gave him the best tasting from the table that is our world.
(See my article “Americas Children: How They Learn And How We Can Make It Better)
Newsvine - America's Children, How They Learn, and How We Can Make Teaching Better. Part 1

As children, we start off life with a very egocentric view. Children believe “I experience things like everyone else. Everyone else experiences things just like me.” When he entered school, he discovered he learned differently from the majority of children. He sits in school trying to grasp abstract concepts that seem like common sense to the other children and teachers around him.

Your child starts to question concepts about himself. If I can not learn like everyone else is learning, what else is wrong with me. He feels ignorant, stupid, inadequate, and powerless. This develops into a complex cycle of low self-esteem, frustration, and depression. Eventually, he starts feeling more and more outcast, more alone, more different.

Unfortunately, in this situation, children have two strike against them. The first strike is that children are still developing their language skills. They are just learning how to use language, so expressing complex feelings can be problematic. A child can say to you “I hurt,” “I feel bad,” or “I am sad,” but this does little to really explain the who, what, when, where, and why of emotion.

The second strike is that children are impulsive by nature. We see this all the time. Put a candy bar on the table and leave the room. Unless he has been taught a certain etiquette, your child will grab the candy bar. As a child, you only feel the need and fill the need immediately, not realizing that temporary satiation of the need will not mean it is solved forever. As adults, we learn the benefits of time management and planning.

The only times he does not feel “his need” is when he is around people who are doing things he can understand. Whether it is with his family or friends, he finds that he feels better about himself, better about life, as long as he is not isolated or alone. Your closeness, your intimacy, your love helped shelter him from these negative feelings that were evolving.

But no man can be around people all the time. When he goes to bed at night, fears may start to set in. He may feel so worthless that he does not see why anyone would bother with him, should bother with him. He would reflect on the mistakes of the day, instead of taking pride on the accomplishments. He would get frustrated about himself, then fellow students and teachers, that would lead to frustration with friends, then family, then back to himself.
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Ultimately, instead of living life anymore, he begins to just wait for death. Sure there will be spurts of happiness intermixed into his existence, but everything he sees will be tainted.

People around him will be only there to abandon him eventually.
Things most would value, he does not care for or gives away, because they will get broken or stolen anyway.
The places he used to love no longer interest him because they remind him of happiness he can no longer experience because it is in the past.

“Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;”~Proverbs 3:5 NIV

Professional intervention is very important, but not for the reasons many people think. Not necessarily because someone has studied the human mind for years, or looked at the behaviors of monkeys and apply them to humanity. The main reason professional intervention is important is because it is objective. Objectivity is key because the human heart is very deceptive. As the child dealing with issues, as parents dealing with the child, we often have egocentric tunnel vision. A professional can look at things from a non-partial outside point of view, without the taint of emotional interference. What we perceive as good action, with the purest intention, it can back fire and inflame a situation.

“The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?”~Jeremiah 17:9 NIV

If there is not professional intervention, it may drive a wedge in his and your relationship. He learns the only way to feel right is if he has company around, but at the same time, his bitterness will have crept into his personality and*driven friends and family away.*He may turn to drugs, and his addiction is not really to the chemicals he is ingesting. His addiction is for anything that will keep him feeling comfortable with himself around others.

I recommend you read this article I wrote on Shame and the one on Pride, it may help you understand the self esteem issue, as well.

Newsvine - Shame

Newsvine - The Who, What, And How Of Pride: If We Truly Understand Ourselves, Then We Can Start To Understand Others.

Also, if you need to advice, or just to vent about the issue, feel free to contact me,

"You may be a horrible cook, but you are a wonderful friend"~ Kenneth (about Daniel Slack)

I hope that puts a little more insight to his experience in your life.
“To be lonely is to be depressed, to have a friend brings happiness!”~Unknown

Daniel Slack
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Old 05-24-2009, 05:34 PM
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I have to admit, as someone who has come out of suicidal, self-destructive depression, I can tell you that the anonymous quote you placed really isn't valid. Sometimes the most depressed are the ones who are surrounded by friends, but can't help but feel as though either all their friends are fake, or they are fake.

Depression is a very serious problem, and most times a teen will go to great lengths to hide it; not so much because they don't trust others, but more because they would rather have no one know and worry needlessly.

I had turned to cutting myself as a release, a method that has now required me to live with permanent, visible physical scars for the rest of my life. But I went to great lengths to hide them from my parents.

I think the one thing that a depressed person needs is someone who will listen, take everything they say seriously, and won't take it to someone else. A confidante is extremely important.
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Old 05-24-2009, 08:52 PM
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I have to admit, as someone who has come out of suicidal, self-destructive depression, I can tell you that the anonymous quote you placed really isn't valid. Sometimes the most depressed are the ones who are surrounded by friends, but can't help but feel as though either all their friends are fake, or they are fake.

Depression is a very serious problem, and most times a teen will go to great lengths to hide it; not so much because they don't trust others, but more because they would rather have no one know and worry needlessly.

I had turned to cutting myself as a release, a method that has now required me to live with permanent, visible physical scars for the rest of my life. But I went to great lengths to hide them from my parents.

I think the one thing that a depressed person needs is someone who will listen, take everything they say seriously, and won't take it to someone else. A confidante is extremely important.
I'm glad you are here and I believe you will find some people here who understand more than you think. God Bless you racoon!
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Old 05-25-2009, 12:48 PM
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I have to admit, as someone who has come out of suicidal, self-destructive depression, I can tell you that the anonymous quote you placed really isn't valid. Sometimes the most depressed are the ones who are surrounded by friends, but can't help but feel as though either all their friends are fake, or they are fake.

Depression is a very serious problem, and most times a teen will go to great lengths to hide it; not so much because they don't trust others, but more because they would rather have no one know and worry needlessly.

I had turned to cutting myself as a release, a method that has now required me to live with permanent, visible physical scars for the rest of my life. But I went to great lengths to hide them from my parents.

I think the one thing that a depressed person needs is someone who will listen, take everything they say seriously, and won't take it to someone else. A confidante is extremely important.
The anonymous quote is actually talking aobut what you are saying a depressed person needs. A good friend knows how to weigh when it is best to just listen, when it si best to respond, and whe nit is best to take action. The happiness that a friend offers is the listening and compassion that we all are seeking.

A good friend not only helps you work through the feelings you have, but also gives you something to replace them with too?

I hope you do find someone to talk to. In my youth, I have suffered fom similar issues as well. The relief of pain and the flow of blood running down your skin is another expresion of sorrow and frusteration, but instead of crying tears, you force your body to cry blood.

Another thing that self mutiliation does is force you to focus on the here and now. By focusing on the pain, you push back memories of things that one were, and you distract yourself from the fears of what might be.

If you ever need ot talk, you can contact me.....I tend to be a very understanding listener/ reader..
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Old 05-25-2009, 05:33 PM
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I have to admit, as someone who has come out of suicidal, self-destructive depression, I can tell you that the anonymous quote you placed really isn't valid. Sometimes the most depressed are the ones who are surrounded by friends, but can't help but feel as though either all their friends are fake, or they are fake.

Depression is a very serious problem, and most times a teen will go to great lengths to hide it; not so much because they don't trust others, but more because they would rather have no one know and worry needlessly.

I had turned to cutting myself as a release, a method that has now required me to live with permanent, visible physical scars for the rest of my life. But I went to great lengths to hide them from my parents.

I think the one thing that a depressed person needs is someone who will listen, take everything they say seriously, and won't take it to someone else. A confidante is extremely important.
Racoon,
I wish I knew your name. I didn't respond before because of time. You are right depression is a very serious problem and there are many more people than most know who are depressed but God knows and he has those whose hearts are tender for the hurting and even those who try to hide are often not missed. Generally speaking I am able to identify it.
Many times kids are able to hide the cutting thing from parents but if a parent is tuned in not much will get past them. I am sorry you ever felt the need to cut.
You are right a depressed person does need a good listener and we all need to become more attentive and not think we always have to have something to say. Listening and being is sometimes all that is needed. I agree with you also that anyone who is depressed needs someone who they can confide in implicitly but you also understand that if there is the intent to do harm to yourself that then the confidant has an obligation to do differently right!
My prayers are with you. I have read much of Daniel's testimonies and find he has been through much and could offer you some support. There are on this site many supportive people should you need to talk. God Bless.
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A Karen Horney fan here! Interesting discussion Daniel. I can "see" and relate to the depressed person leaning toward people and situations (or even becoming obsessed with things or people) that seem to boost them out of the lowness. Another person with Depression here and I like the discussion about the "Objectiveness" of a good councelor. I always remember my beloved Psych Doc describing himself as a Guide that seeks to lead people out of the forrest. I could "see" in time that he was seeing from a more objective world than I was knowing, and so was revealing an objective world to me! In this way, the councelor does move beyond being a good listener to being like a suggestive guide who seems to turn on some lights in a dark room, so that you yourself begin to "see" some realities that begin to lead you out of the forrests that depression has led you into.

I share the compassion and concern for the many walking around with un-noticed and undiagnosed depression; surely there is not yet enough awareness and understanding.
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Hi Daniel! Hope you are well. When our parents grow up without their needs being met, they become adults that are needy. And then they become selfish, unable to see the need of their children or respond to it, having an insurmountable need of their own, which has not been cared for. Its a viscious cycle. One that god can break of course. Praise be to his name. But it is not an easy road.

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Old 06-14-2009, 01:54 AM
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Very good word Heneni! So true. I've seen this reality in my mother, and finally chose to just give her the love and attention I believe she did not really receive as a child, in order for our relationship today as adults.
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Old 06-14-2009, 02:30 PM
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Hi Daniel! Hope you are well. When our parents grow up without their needs being met, they become adults that are needy. And then they become selfish, unable to see the need of their children or respond to it, having an insurmountable need of their own, which has not been cared for. Its a viscious cycle. One that god can break of course. Praise be to his name. But it is not an easy road.


Heneni
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Your wisdom continues to amaze me. You are so right. Although as you say it can change sometimes it doesn't always in our parents so as adults we love them through it. It isn't always an easy piece but God honors our endeavors to honor our parents. My step dad always jokingly said "once a man, twice a child." He was the best thing which ever happened to us but yet I was just graduating from highschool when he came into the picture. He was a dear man. His saying I find is in a way true. As my mother is well along in age and is somewhat more like a child in her needs for affection now.
I let some things go and don't take them personally.
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Old 06-14-2009, 02:33 PM
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Very good word Heneni! So true. I've seen this reality in my mother, and finally chose to just give her the love and attention I believe she did not really receive as a child, in order for our relationship today as adults.
Unfortunately, that doesn't work with everyone. My parents have actually, emotionally, gotten me to the point where I have had to cut contact for at leas a while. It's especially hard, but if I'm to raise my son and my stepdaughters properly, then I need to protect my own emotional and mental health first.
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