Originally Posted by DanielSlack

......A vegetarian diet is good for your health and spares animals unimaginable suffering and violence. Remember: As we do to the least, so we do to Him......

Errr, I think he was talking about people when he said "As we do to the least, so we do to Him". There is nothing immoral about eating meat. If there was, then God would not have commanded the Israelites to eat a Lamb for passover.

BTW: There are new reports that some "vegans" actually do harm to themselves with their vegan diet.

[DanielSlack]

Originally Posted by ByFaithIC

Your thread question was "is eating meat godly?" According to Genesis 9:3 God okayed the eating of meat, but notice what God said first in verse 2....

Genesis 9:2-3 (NKJV)
2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand.
3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs.

Man is the dread of animal's.

Now, as far as the context of your thread, Men are so often cruel to other human beings so why would it be any less expected of how they treat animals?

I myself have often wondered how God view's the fact that so many men hunt for sport. I can understand if hunting for 'a' deer if a family really needs the meat, but I could never understand how groups of men get together every fall to go hang out in the woods to see who can kill the buck with the biggest horn.

You bring up an interesting point... Every living thing Shall be your food, or you can change the shall to CAN be your food. That does not necessarily mean that it SHOULD be, it is more like it is saying it COULD be your food.

In theory, Rocks shall be my food, if I so choose. It does not mean I SHOULD eat Pebbles for breakfast (fruity or cocoa) it just means Rocks CAN be my food.

[DanielSlack]

Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader

Errr, I think he was talking about people when he said "As we do to the least, so we do to Him". There is nothing immoral about eating meat. If there was, then God would not have commanded the Israelites to eat a Lamb for passover.

BTW: There are new reports that some "vegans" actually do harm to themselves with their vegan diet.

To be, or not to be, vegan. THAT IS THE QUESTION. In truth, the problem with vegetarianism and veganism is that they are relying on up to date technology for their food, while relying on ancient ideology for their information. The truth is this, that old foods, heritage type vegetable and fruits, nonprocessed beans, tubers, and grains, did contain an good amount of proteins. The modern types today lack the same nutritional values that these old style foods had.

We also lack the diversity of grains, as well. Today, the main grains are wheat, rice, and corn. In ancient times, you had these three and many more, you had barley, flax, millet, spelt, quinoa, buckwheat, amaranth, and rye.

Many of these grains have a much higher protein value then wheat, rice, or corn. One of the reason for this is the domesticated plant is designed to grow much more quickly with a higher yield, at the cost of nutrients.

Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader

Errr, I think he was talking about people when he said "As we do to the least, so we do to Him". There is nothing immoral about eating meat. If there was, then God would not have commanded the Israelites to eat a Lamb for passover.

BTW: There are new reports that some "vegans" actually do harm to themselves with their vegan diet.

Originally Posted by DanielSlack

To be, or not to be, vegan. THAT IS THE QUESTION. In truth, the problem with vegetarianism and veganism is that they are relying on up to date technology for their food, while relying on ancient ideology for their information. The truth is this, that old foods, heritage type vegetable and fruits, nonprocessed beans, tubers, and grains, did contain an good amount of proteins. The modern types today lack the same nutritional values that these old style foods had.

We also lack the diversity of grains, as well. Today, the main grains are wheat, rice, and corn. In ancient times, you had these three and many more, you had barley, flax, millet, spelt, quinoa, buckwheat, amaranth, and rye.

Many of these grains have a much higher protein value then wheat, rice, or corn. One of the reason for this is the domesticated plant is designed to grow much more quickly with a higher yield, at the cost of nutrients.

Well, you seem to be more informed than me on the issue so I won't argue about it.

But at any rate, I still say that there is nothing immoral or unBiblical about eating meat. If there was, then God would not have commanded the Israelites to eat a Lamb for passover.

[coachnathan]

I love animals. They taste good.

[Soulheart3]

Originally Posted by coachnathan

I love animals. They taste good.

LOL, I guess we should hope you dont love your wife the same way.

[DanielSlack]

Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader

Well, you seem to be more informed than me on the issue so I won't argue about it.

But at any rate, I still say that there is nothing immoral or unBiblical about eating meat. If there was, then God would not have commanded the Israelites to eat a Lamb for passover.

In the context of the Korban Pesach "Sacrifice of Passover", it would be a very troubling experience. To make sure the lamb (sheep) or kid (goat) was suitable. You would select the beast lamb of the new flock. For a year, you would be very careful of what the lamb ate, drank, and came into contact with. The care you would develop with it would bring a rather close relationship between you and the lamb. It would look to you like a father, you would develop feeling of concern and respect. Watching it grow, mature, and love you. The least feeling for it would be pet like, the most you could feel for it would by like that of a child.

Then when it was time for sacrifice, it was more than an offering of an animal, it was an offering of emotional importance as well. To be a proper spiritual sacrifice, it must be a physical, mental and emotional item as well.

It is important to note that in Judaism, forgiveness is obtained through repentance, prayer and good deeds.

In Jewish practice, prayer has taken the place of sacrifices. In accordance with the words of Hosea, we render instead of bullocks the offering of our lips (Hosea 14:3) Some Gentile translations say this somewhat differently:

"Take with you words, and return unto the LORD; say unto Him: 'Forgive all iniquity, and accept that which is good; so will we render for bullocks the offering of our lips. " Hosea 14:3 Hebrew English Bible

"Take words with you and return to the LORD. Say to him: "Forgive all our sins and receive us graciously, that we may offer the fruit of our lips." Hosea 14:2 NIV

While dedicating the Temple, King Solomon also indicated that prayer can be used to obtain forgiveness (I Kings 8:46-50). A prayer services are in many ways designed to parallel the sacrificial practices. For example, we have an extra service on Shabbat, to parallel the extra Shabbat offering.

It is important to note that in Judaism, sacrifice was never the exclusive means of obtaining forgiveness, was not in and of itself sufficient to obtain forgiveness, and in certain circumstances was not even effective to obtain forgiveness.

[Windsong]

Glad someone added the scripture where animals are given for food AFTER the flood. This does not make cruelty acceptable - animals have souls - they have the breath of animated life in them. God did give them to us as food. I personally agree that I don't see sport hunting but do see it used for food. However I think it is interesting to not in the passage after the flood we are told to eat kosher hehe where meat is concerned - normally though to be a command added to the people of Israel via the Law, however it tells you not to eat meat with the blood still in it. This was an agreement between God and not just Noah but all of his sons as well according to the Bible.

In Christ
Windy

[DanielSlack]

Originally Posted by Windsong

Glad someone added the scripture where animals are given for food AFTER the flood. This does not make cruelty acceptable - animals have souls - they have the breath of animated life in them. God did give them to us as food. I personally agree that I don't see sport hunting but do see it used for food. However I think it is interesting to not in the passage after the flood we are told to eat kosher hehe where meat is concerned - normally though to be a command added to the people of Israel via the Law, however it tells you not to eat meat with the blood still in it. This was an agreement between God and not just Noah but all of his sons as well according to the Bible.

In Christ
Windy

You bring up a very interesting point that I am currently working on. So many times people talk about Mosaic Laws and Abrahamic Covenant when concerning lifestyle choices, but fail to remember the truth of Noahide Law. According to Judaism, any gentil following Noahide Law is considered a Righteous Gentile. These laws are meant for everyone regardless of race creed or color.

Do you think this would make an interesting article?

[Windsong]

Yes it would - and the law against murder and the resulting death of the one who kills is found with Noah as well - then it is later regiven to Israel. Some sense of the Sabbath was also known from Creation on...

Yes it might make an interesting study

In Christ
Windy