Do we go to Hell ?
Thursday, June 25, 2009

Does a loving Father burn us in hell forever?

Ecc9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any [thing] that is done under the sun.

If you rely on the new testament only it seems to say we go to everlasting torment in fire!

Dantes inferno , Greek mythology is mixed into the new testament thinking. A fable kept being repeated over and over till it became reality. Perception is reality in this world!

Solomon teaches that the dead no not anything so how could they be in hell getting burned?

Solomon teaches that the dead have no portion in anything for ever, when your dead your dead.

So with this in mind you are punished for ever or everlasting!

Ecc 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all [is] vanity.

MAN IS JUST A BEAST LIKE ALL THE REST CAN YOU GRASP THIS?

Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Solomon teaches that not one person can tell if the spirit goes up or down, so how can you teach we go to hell and get burned for ever?

Christians are astray from the old testament teachings.

May God bless your study of His Holy Bible

Rev. 20:14 "And death and HELL were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death". Notice that the Greeks mythological 'hell' is also cast into the lake. Notice also that it clearly says 'second death', never says 'second eternal life somewhere other than heaven', eh.

[DrFrank]

Jesus significantly changed some Old Testament teachings.In instances where disparity exists,the updated version,the New Testament must prevail.Unless of course you want to deny the Son of God.

This little word 'death' has caused all sorts of confusion. If being cast into the lake of fire is the second death, then when was the first one? And when will be the last one?

Isnt the last enemy to be put under this exact word 'death'? (and they say the lake of fire is enternal). I have my doubts about that.

Heneni

[joedelsy]

I have seriously thought about this subject myself. Knowing that Scripture tells us there are some going to hell, there is a story that Jesus tells , in mathew I think, Im not sure where exactly but I will find it. a story About a servant begging his master to forgive him for a debt owed to him when almost thrown into jail to suffer, this servant begs his master to forgive him to give him time to pay off his debt. the master agrees and then wipes the debt from his servant. This same servant goes to another servant demanding money owed to him while threatening to throw him in jail or whatever. Anyhow, Jesus then speaks about saying this is how you will be treated if you do not forgive in this manner.You will be thrown in hell until you repent or are forgiven. Well Im wondering if it will be the same way with hell? Those who are condemned to hell, if when they actually get a taste of what its like if they repent enough while in hell, are they to be forgiven? Lemme find the story and I'll come back.

Joelesy yes the parable says that the wicked servant wont be released until he has paid the debt in full. Which means...there could very well be a time when he does pay in full and does get released.

However what i notice about the parable is that the king did not take the punishment on behalf of the wicked servant. So im not sure if we can use it as an anology for salvation and our sins being forgiven.

If the account that the wicked servant had with the king was really his sins, then the gospel tells us that jesus died for our sins. In the parable the king does not die for the sins of the wicked servant. Instead he waits to see how he treats his fellow man, and then sends him to jail where the torturers torture him for a long time.

Heneni

Just wanted to add..that i think the parable is for the jews, who have been exluded from salvation only a remnant is now saved under grace. Therefore jesus told them to pray like this 'forgive us our sins AS WE forgive those who have sinned against us'

That would coincide with the parable where the king forgives the servant but then takes the forgiveness away when he did not forgive the other servant.

Originally Posted by Joshua888

Do we go to Hell ?
Thursday, June 25, 2009

Does a loving Father burn us in hell forever?

Ecc9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

Ecc 9:6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any [thing] that is done under the sun.

If you rely on the new testament only it seems to say we go to everlasting torment in fire!

Dantes inferno , Greek mythology is mixed into the new testament thinking. A fable kept being repeated over and over till it became reality. Perception is reality in this world!

Solomon teaches that the dead no not anything so how could they be in hell getting burned?

Solomon teaches that the dead have no portion in anything for ever, when your dead your dead.

So with this in mind you are punished for ever or everlasting!

Ecc 3:18 I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

Ecc 3:19 For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all [is] vanity.

MAN IS JUST A BEAST LIKE ALL THE REST CAN YOU GRASP THIS?

Ecc 3:20 All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.

Ecc 3:21 Who knoweth the spirit of man that goeth upward, and the spirit of the beast that goeth downward to the earth?

Solomon teaches that not one person can tell if the spirit goes up or down, so how can you teach we go to hell and get burned for ever?

Christians are astray from the old testament teachings.

May God bless your study of His Holy Bible

Well there are a few things you need to consider here. The bible says that jesus went to preach to the spirits in prison. The ones drowned in the flood. If they were dead as in a doornail, what was jesus doing there?

Also...and this is a thoughy. Paul says 'once i was alive apart from the law'.

When was that?

And then he says...'but when the law came I died'

When was that?

He said this while appearing to be quite alive.

(Paul was physically born under the tribe of benjamin - circumcised the lot - so when was he 'once alive apart from the law?)

Blessings!

Heneni

[joedelsy]

Originally Posted by Heneni

Just wanted to add..that i think the parable is for the jews, who have been exluded from salvation only a remnant is now saved under grace. Therefore jesus told them to pray like this 'forgive us our sins AS WE forgive those who have sinned against us'

That would coincide with the parable where the king forgives the servant but then takes the forgiveness away when he did not forgive the other servant.

thanx hon....... you wouldnt happen to know which verse it is ????

Got if for ya.

Matthew 18: 32

32"Then the master called the servant in. `You wicked servant,' he said, `I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33Shouldn't you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?' 34In anger his master turned him over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed.