[doinghiswill]

MAN'S SPIRIT, SOUL, AND BODY AFTER THE FALL

The spirit was once the highest part of man's whole being; both the soul and the body were under it. Under normal circumstances, the spirit is like the matriarch, the soul is like the steward, and the body is like the servant. When the matriarch needs something done, she assigns the work to the steward. The steward in turn orders the servants severally to accomplish the task. Unfortunately, man fell, failed, and sinned! As a result, the original, proper order of spirit, soul, and body was upset.

Adam was able to live by the breath of life, which is the spirit. The spirit has the God-consciousness: it knows God's voice, fellowships with God, and is endowed with an extremely keen sense toward God. After Adam fell, his spirit died.

At the beginning God said to Adam, "For in the day that thou eatest thereof [the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil] thou shalt surely die" (Gen. 2:17). After Adam and Eve ate of the fruit, they still lived for a few hundred years. This shows that the death that God spoke of was not confined to the death of the body. What kind of death was this death? The scientific definition of death is a termination of communication with the environment. Since the death of Adam was not confined to his body only, it must refer also to the death of his spirit. The death of the spirit does not mean that the spirit has disappeared. It means that the spirit has lost its sensitive awareness toward God, that is, it is dead to God. The death of the spirit means that it can no longer fellowship with God. For example, here is a dumb person. It is not that this person has lost his mouth or his throat. He cannot speak because there is something wrong with his mouth. His mouth is dead in respect to the human language. Because of Adam's disobedience, his spirit became dead. He still had the spirit, but it was dead with respect to God. If Adam had exercised his judgment to choose the tree of life, God's eternal life would have entered into his spirit and would have changed his inner man through his soul. His earthen, outer body, which was destined for death and corruption, would also have been changed. However, his inner man became disorderly and fallen. As a result, his outward body had to die and decay.

The fruit of "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil" is the fruit that uplifts man's soul and subdues man's spirit. In this world the knowledge of good and evil is the work of the soul. God forbade man to eat of this tree, not because He wanted to test man, but because He knew that within man there is the soulish life as well as the spiritual life. This is God's love. He knew that if man were to eat of this tree, his soulish life would be developed and his spiritual life would die. This means that man would lose his God-consciousness and would be dead to God. In this world the knowledge of good and evil is always wicked. Knowledge comes from the intellectual part of man's soul. When man ate of "the tree of the knowledge of good and evil," surely his soulish life was developed and exalted. Once the soulish life became developed and exalted, the spiritual life was suppressed, and man lost his God-consciousness, as if he were dead.

From this point on, his spirit and the spirits of his descendants were suppressed by the soul. Soon, through the soul's suppressing, the spirit was joined to the soul, and the two became closely interwoven. This is why Paul mentioned in Hebrews 4:12 that the word of God is sharp to the dividing of the spirit and the soul. It is because the spirit and the soul have been joined together that there needs to be the dividing. Since the soul and the spirit were so tightly interwoven together, man began to live in his speculative mind. In everything, he began to walk according to his intellect or his feeling. The spirit, having completely lost its power and senses, fell into a lifeless sleep. In Jude 19 it says, "Soulish, having no spirit." The spirit here does not refer to the Holy Spirit, but to the human spirit. Since the first part of this expression, "soulish," refers to man's soul, the spirit in the second part of the expression should be the human spirit. This can also be proved from the article in Greek. To be soulish and to not have spirit really mean that the spirit is shut off by the soul and has lost its function. Although it is alive, it is as if it were dead.

From this point, everything went downhill. The flesh of the body began to rule. Hence, by the time of the flood, man had become "flesh" (Gen. 6:3).

When man is soulish, he will often feel that this life is untrustworthy and will seek for eternal life in the coming age. However, the doctrine of life can never be secured by the human mind and theory. None of these things are reliable. Often two very clever people will disagree with each other in their opinions. Theories easily lead men to the place of error; they are the towers in dreams, only leading men to the place of eternal darkness.

When man is of the flesh, he is controlled by the cravings and lusts of his body. He has to satisfy his senses of sight, smell, hearing, taste, and touch. The vilest of all sins arise from these senses.

Our whole person is divided into three parts: the spirit, the soul, and the body. God's intention is that the spirit would remain on top, controlling the soul. After man became soulish, the spirit fell and became subject to the soul. After man became fleshly, the vile flesh became the king. Man fell from being "spirit-ruled" to being "soul-ruled," and from being "soul-ruled," he fell to being "flesh-ruled." This gradual fall ended with the flesh assuming the authority. What a shame this is!

See what you think of sections 362 through 368 HERE.

[Watchman]

We, today, have knowledge that there are two bodies in each of us -- spiritual and flesh [1 Cor. 15:44-53]. Hence, there is a tendency to look at the so-called 'fall' of Adam from our perspective, while, at the same time, not looking at it from Adam's perspective.

There is no evidence [scriptural] that Adam was aware that he had these two bodies. So, one can only conclude that the commandment given by God in Gen. 2:17 pertained to Adam's physical existence.

The actual 'fall' took place long before Adam. Satan is the originator of sin.

Originally Posted by Watchman

.....one can only conclude that the commandment given by God in Gen. 2:17 pertained to Adam's physical existence.....

If that were the case, then Adam would have died! But he didn't now did he. Your position makes God wrong and the serpent right. Which means you are wrong.

Originally Posted by Watchman

....The actual 'fall' took place long before Adam. Satan is the originator of sin.

LOL. The fall of man took place before there was a man?
Man o' man, you're way out there.

[Watchman]

Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader

If that were the case, then Adam would have died! But he didn't now did he. Your position makes God wrong and the serpent right. Which means you are wrong.

He did die within one of God's Days! You need to do your homework.

Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader

LOL. The fall of man took place before there was a man?
Man o' man, you're way out there.

Who said anything about the fall of man? Satan is not flesh man!

However, since Adam was not the first man, one can presume that there was a whole bunch of sinning going on [6th Day creation] before Adam.

You, like many, are Biblically illiterate!

You said the "fall".
That is common shorthand for man's fall as a result of original sin.
If you meant something else you should be more clear.

[doinghiswill]

362 The human person, created in the image of God, is a being at once corporeal and spiritual. The biblical account expresses this reality in symbolic language when it affirms that "then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."229 Man, whole and entire, is therefore willed by God.


368 The spiritual tradition of the Church also emphasizes the heart, in the biblical sense of the depths of one's being, where the person decides for or against God.

Just thought it would be good to bring this info onto the thread......I'm not sure I agree with these Items.

Originally Posted by doinghiswill

362 The human person, created in the image of God, is a being at once corporeal and spiritual. The biblical account expresses this reality in symbolic language when it affirms that "then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being."229 Man, whole and entire, is therefore willed by God.


368 The spiritual tradition of the Church also emphasizes the heart, in the biblical sense of the depths of one's being, where the person decides for or against God.

Just thought it would be good to bring this info onto the thread......I'm not sure I agree with these Items.

I just wanted your thoughts on it.

And I'm sorry for muddying up your thread with me and Watchman's little argument.

[CI]

There are three things that make up the soul of a man: the heart, conscience, and the mind.

Juxtapose those three things to their equivalents in the physical man:

1. The heart to the physical heart within the body... the heart is the hub of the faith of God;
2. The conscience to the physical body upon which is a head... the body of conscience is the hub of the grace of God;
3. The mind to the head... the mind is the hub of the spirit.

All three unite in what is called the soul. Spirits first come in to inhabit the soul through the mind.

[Watchman]

Originally Posted by CatholicCrusader

You said the "fall".
That is common shorthand for man's fall as a result of original sin.
If you meant something else you should be more clear.

Satan, along with 1/3 of all souls, fell long before Adam did.

You are the one stuck on 'original sin' being that of Adam. It is a fallacy.