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Old 06-03-2009, 01:36 AM
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We see in revelation chapter 11 the introduction of the two witnesses. Some say enoch and elijah...some say elijah and moses...and Ive heard others. Not relevant here. What Im looking for in discussion is this.

The two witnesses will give their testemony for 42 months (3 1/2 years). We can learn from scripture (or at least this is how i see it) that the tribulation time will consist of 7 years. The first 3 1/2 will be relatively peaceful as the antiChrist grows to power. War will break out and the peace will end. The anti Christ will take his place on the throne (abomination of desolation). The last 3 1/2 years will be immense wrath from God brought about on the earth and its inhabitants.

Now chapter 11 does not fit into this chronologically. So when will these two witnesses give their testamony? It cannot be in the first half as the first half will have peace. The second half doesnt really work either because they would have finished there testamony at the end of the tribulation (end of 7 years) But we see that after they are done more is to be done. The beast will make war with them and kill them and such.

So are we to believe then that the 3 1/2 years possibly overlap the first and second half of the tribulation time?

What are your thoughts on this?
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Old 06-03-2009, 03:33 AM
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Perhaps the 3 1/2 years of their testimony will begin in the first half and will end in the second half of the tribulation time. That's my thought.
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Old 06-03-2009, 05:00 AM
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We see in revelation chapter 11 the introduction of the two witnesses. Some say enoch and elijah...some say elijah and moses...and Ive heard others. Not relevant here. What Im looking for in discussion is this.

The two witnesses will give their testemony for 42 months (3 1/2 years). We can learn from scripture (or at least this is how i see it) that the tribulation time will consist of 7 years. The first 3 1/2 will be relatively peaceful as the antiChrist grows to power. War will break out and the peace will end. The anti Christ will take his place on the throne (abomination of desolation). The last 3 1/2 years will be immense wrath from God brought about on the earth and its inhabitants.

Now chapter 11 does not fit into this chronologically. So when will these two witnesses give their testamony? It cannot be in the first half as the first half will have peace. The second half doesnt really work either because they would have finished there testamony at the end of the tribulation (end of 7 years) But we see that after they are done more is to be done. The beast will make war with them and kill them and such.

So are we to believe then that the 3 1/2 years possibly overlap the first and second half of the tribulation time?

What are your thoughts on this?
Hi Daniel

Big subject,

I wish that people really were looking for an answer.

Most people here seem to believe they all ready know it.

They only ask questions for their own pleasure not for GODs.

If they were truely looking then maybe God could help them.

Bye for now. Amen

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Old 06-03-2009, 07:41 AM
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We see in revelation chapter 11 the introduction of the two witnesses. Some say enoch and elijah...some say elijah and moses...and Ive heard others. Not relevant here. What Im looking for in discussion is this.

The two witnesses will give their testemony for 42 months (3 1/2 years). We can learn from scripture (or at least this is how i see it) that the tribulation time will consist of 7 years. The first 3 1/2 will be relatively peaceful as the antiChrist grows to power. War will break out and the peace will end. The anti Christ will take his place on the throne (abomination of desolation). The last 3 1/2 years will be immense wrath from God brought about on the earth and its inhabitants.

Now chapter 11 does not fit into this chronologically. So when will these two witnesses give their testamony? It cannot be in the first half as the first half will have peace. The second half doesnt really work either because they would have finished there testamony at the end of the tribulation (end of 7 years) But we see that after they are done more is to be done. The beast will make war with them and kill them and such.

So are we to believe then that the 3 1/2 years possibly overlap the first and second half of the tribulation time?

What are your thoughts on this?

I have no intent to change your subject matter. I am not really sure as to the answer to your question, but I have one thought I would like to share and then hop off this thread. What if this thought...

the two witnesses. Some say enoch and elijah...some say elijah and moses...and Ive heard others

What if both are correct? Sinse Elijah came back at the time of Christ, and will come back again (as most people think). What if Enoch came back as Moses and thats the reason he was so powerful in faith and deeds. And then both showed up at the transfiguration, and will show up again at the end. Just speculation, but an interesting thought.
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Old 06-03-2009, 01:28 PM
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Hi Daniel

Big subject,

I wish that you really were looking for a answer.

Most people here seem to believe they all ready know it all.

They only ask questions for their own pleasure not for GODs.

If you are truely looking then maybe I can help.

Bye for now.

So what do I have to do friend. say please and stuff ? If I felt I knew exactly what it meant I would not have brought it up. Anywayz..I wont beg for your help
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Old 06-03-2009, 01:29 PM
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I have no intent to change your subject matter. I am not really sure as to the answer to your question, but I have one thought I would like to share and then hop off this thread. What if this thought...

the two witnesses. Some say enoch and elijah...some say elijah and moses...and Ive heard others

What if both are correct? Sinse Elijah came back at the time of Christ, and will come back again (as most people think). What if Enoch came back as Moses and thats the reason he was so powerful in faith and deeds. And then both showed up at the transfiguration, and will show up again at the end. Just speculation, but an interesting thought.
Im sure any of those are possible
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Old 06-03-2009, 05:43 PM
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So what do I have to do friend. say please and stuff ? If I felt I knew exactly what it meant I would not have brought it up. Anywayz..I wont beg for your help
Hi Daniel


Sorry if I offended you!

God says seek,look,pray,ask,don't remember God saying BEG.

I won't bother you again after this.

Bye for now, May God and Christ guide you in all things.


Amen !
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Old 06-03-2009, 07:47 PM
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Hi Daniel

Big subject,

I wish that you really were looking for a answer.

Most people here seem to believe they all ready know it all.

They only ask questions for their own pleasure not for GODs.

If you are truely looking then maybe I can help.

Bye for now.
Even is what you say is true of most people who have any interest in the things of God at all, isn't presuming that you know which ones are which an unwarrented presumption on your part?

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Old 06-04-2009, 04:53 AM
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Even is what you say is true of most people who have any interest in the things of God at all, isn't presuming that you always know which ones are which an unwarrented presumption on your part?
Hi Amadeus

I truely hoped that someone really wanted to learn the answer.
I have learned some things here thanks to you all, just thought maybe
I could share something back.


From your quote please remove ALWAYS .

Also as for [unwarrented] the proof is in writing, it all over the pages.

By the facts of the quotes written I presumed, most people not all.

Thanks !

Bye for now, Amen
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Old 06-04-2009, 12:41 PM
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Even is what you say is true of most people who have any interest in the things of God at all, isn't presuming that you know which ones are which, an unwarrented presumption on your part?
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Done that: Hi Amadeus

I truely hoped that someone really wanted to learn the answer.
I have learned some things here thanks to you all, just thought maybe
I could share something back.


From your quote please remove ALWAYS .

Also as for [unwarrented] the proof is in writing, it all over the pages.

By the facts of the quotes written I presumed, most people not all.

Thanks !

Bye for now, Amen
Some of us [perhaps very few] would really like to know the answer, but is an audience of more than one needed? Jesus usually, but not always, had more than one person in His audience. Unlike Him we often do not know the hearts of the people to whom we speak. Sometimes we do not even know to whom we are spaeking. Internet conversations like this one are an example of that. Many people read these words, but never input any words themselves. Some of those readers may receive something that you or I or God placed there. Perhaps this is a good reason to be careful about speaking or writing or typing idle words. Hope to hear back from you soon. I would like to hear your ideas on the OP.

Glory to His name!
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