[ByFaithIC]

I have always been taught that 'the law and 10 Commandments' were nailed to the cross. However, after careful study I see that it does not say that at all.

Colossians 2:14.... having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

The hand writing of requirement is the debt I owed for my sins before Christ died for them.

So where do we get that the the 10 commandments were nailed to the cross? Is there another scripture somewhere that I just haven't noticed?

And 'no, I am not yoked to the law' It wasn't until recently that I began to wonder about these things.

Thanks

Originally Posted by ByFaithIC

I have always been taught that 'the law and 10 Commandments' were nailed to the cross. However, after careful study I see that it does not say that at all.

Colossians 2:14.... having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

The hand writing of requirement is the debt I owed for my sins before Christ died for them.

So where do we get that the the 10 commandments were nailed to the cross? Is there another scripture somewhere that I just haven't noticed?

And 'no, I am not yoked to the law' It wasn't until recently that I began to wonder about these things.

Thanks

I do not know if it says the very words you mention, but the effect was still the same.

We are told that thru the law we are dead to the law that we might live unto Christ. When we were baptised into Christ jesus, we were baptised into His death, agreeing with Him that the punishment for our sins was deserved and we finally come into agreement with the law that we are "guilty". Once that pronouncement has been made and we have partaken of the punishment, death, the law has no more sway over us.
Why? We now have been raised with Christ to newness of life and we are lo longer neeing the schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. it has done its work. We are now under grace...not grace to sin, but grace to obey Him. We are no longer under outer commnadments that cannot make the person holy, even if kept to perfection, which none can actually do, by the way. We follow His voice, obey what He would have us to do, and the law id fulfilled in us becasue we now love. Our inner man is clean and we no longer have to attempt to cleanse our "outer cup".

I hope that makes sense.

[ByFaithIC]

Originally Posted by BruceG

I do not know if it says the very words you mention, but the effect was still the same.

We are told that thru the law we are dead to the law that we might live unto Christ. When we were baptised into Christ jesus, we were baptised into His death, agreeing with Him that the punishment for our sins was deserved and we finally come into agreement with the law that we are "guilty". Once that pronouncement has been made and we have partaken of the punishment, death, the law has no more sway over us.
Why? We now have been raised with Christ to newness of life and we are lo longer neeing the schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. it has done its work. We are now under grace...not grace to sin, but grace to obey Him. We are no longer under outer commnadments that cannot make the person holy, even if kept to perfection, which none can actually do, by the way. We follow His voice, obey what He would have us to do, and the law id fulfilled in us becasue we now love. Our inner man is clean and we no longer have to attempt to cleanse our "outer cup".

I hope that makes sense.

Yes it makes sense, and I have always lived my christian life with that understanding, but several months ago a wash of new understanding begin in me. I totally agree that we are not tied to law for salvation nor to legalistic tendencies to keep me in line....but...There are always questions like this example..

Question to me........"Has the law been abolished?"
My answer............"Yes, it was nailed to the cross and we live in HIS grace."
Question to me......" Oh, so it would be okay for you to marry your brother?"
My answer......."Eewww, NO!"
Question to me...."Well, why not?"
My answer........"Besides it being gross, it goes against Godly teachings."
Question to me...."Oh really, where does HE teach against marrying your your brother?"
My answer....."Leviticus 18..goes in depth against such things"
His final reply to me....."you just quoted the law"

He was right.
Now I realize that the law does still apply, Yet the Holy Spirit has given me the rightness to live by it. Truly the law is written on my heart. But indeed, the law does still apply.

[christkid777]

All I can add is that if you truly seek God and don't just accept every form of church doctrine you are going to have a life time of discovery and revelation. Then you can see and judge where the doctrine came from in the first place. Seeking God is the most incredible journey. There are so many things passed on as tradition that don't seem to be securely founded in Scripture.

Originally Posted by ByFaithIC

Yes it makes sense, and I have always lived my christian life with that understanding, but several months ago a wash of new understanding begin in me. I totally agree that we are not tied to law for salvation nor to legalistic tendencies to keep me in line....but...There are always questions like this example..

Question to me........"Has the law been abolished?"
My answer............"Yes, it was nailed to the cross and we live in HIS grace."
Question to me......" Oh, so it would be okay for you to marry your brother?"
My answer......."Eewww, NO!"
Question to me...."Well, why not?"
My answer........"Besides it being gross, it goes against Godly teachings."
Question to me...."Oh really, where does HE teach against marrying your your brother?"
My answer....."Leviticus 18..goes in depth against such things"
His final reply to me....."you just quoted the law"

He was right.
Now I realize that the law does still apply, Yet the Holy Spirit has given me the rightness to live by it. Truly the law is written on my heart. But indeed, the law does still apply.

Here is my understanding and it has proven itself in my experience that past year in my life. Before, it was obedience to rules and regulations that we had to do to please God. But under the new covenant, we are told all will know Him, from the least to the greatest. And in all, He will cause us to walk in His statutues. What statutes? Written ones? No, the statutes of His character, His will for us, His heart. As we develop an intimacy with Him, His sheep hear His voice and the Holy Spirit leads them into all truth.
it would not be becasue of Leviticus that you would not marry your brother, but because God would not lead you to do so. See the difference?

We are told to simply listen to His still small voice within us. No longer is it hard like obeying the law. Our hearts are now His and we WANT to be good servants. Would he direct us to do something against His own principles? I am thinking about Abraham being told to offer up Isaac. It can happen, and we are to obey anyway...BUT, it is rare indeed and if it happens to us, we best hit our knees and make sure we are definitely hearing His voice! LOL

[truth2010]

We are still obliged to OBEY God's 10 Commandments... all 10 of them, including the Sabbath. Nowhere does it say in the Bible that the 10 Commandments are done away with. In fact, they are reinforced in several scripture. We are not, however, obliged to follow the Mosaic Law which included the feast days, ceremonial washings, etc. We are not obliged to keep that law because Christ fullfilled those feast days. I am not a seventh day adventist.

[CI]

Col. 2:13-14: And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;...

He took something out of "the way" - death by sins and uncircumcision of the flesh". That is what He nailed to His Cross.

Having taken death by sins and uncircucision of the flesh out of the way, He quickens (gives the life of God to) what is left of the soul.

The Law (Torah) highlights sin and brings about the consciousness of sin if not strictly followed. It is difficult for any man to completely obey the law; men generally sin in the process of trying to obey.

Therefore, the Law is considered "weak" because it cannot bring about salvation, and subsequent Spirit of life (that is the promise of faith) to those who practice its commandments.

Therefore, the Law had to be changed. Now enters Jesus Christ with the law of faith, grace and Spirit, which trumps and exceeds the Law (Torah) in strength, excellence, ease of practice, and is able to completely bring about salvation and eternal life by the Spirit.

Whoever chooses the law of faith, grace and Spirit abolishes the practice of the Torah in himself or herself.... just as Jesus Christ abolished the practice of the Torah in His flesh in order to practice/give faith, grace and the Spirit.

Whoever choses to continue with the Law (Torah) does so by his/her own choice; such a person will be judged by the Torah. It is hard to figure why some choose the more complex, difficult, and non-life giving Torah over a easy to practice and more excellent law of faith, grace and Spirit. But, some folks do.

Originally Posted by truth2010

We are still obliged to OBEY God's 10 Commandments... all 10 of them, including the Sabbath. Nowhere does it say in the Bible that the 10 Commandments are done away with. In fact, they are reinforced in several scripture. We are not, however, obliged to follow the Mosaic Law which included the feast days, ceremonial washings, etc. We are not obliged to keep that law because Christ fullfilled those feast days. I am not a seventh day adventist.

Greetings Emilee,

What I have learned is that it was the 'hellenized' Greek Jew converts who established their own philosophy which was incorporated into Pauls religion of christianity and had as their motto 'the law was nailed to the cross'. What they were rebelling against, and rightfully so, were the levitical, or the 'mosaic' laws as you and others call them. They sought to free themselves from the burdensome yoke of those 'laws' which dictated what a person did, when they did it, and who they did it with, every waking moment of their lives. If their philosophy had anything in common with the teachings of Jesus, it would be this same desire to set people free from the burdensome yoke of manmade organized religion.

What is beyond me is that so many people are unable to differentiate between the levitical laws (small case l/plural) that were of the time of John the Baptist, and thee Law (large case l/singular)/Commandments that are in effect until the end of the old heaven and earth. I am gladdened to see that you one who is able to understand the difference.

Blessings upon you, Josif

P.S. Some of those old laws are commonsensical enough to still be worth following. The one you mention about marrying your brother. Obviously the Hebrews neighbors/ancestors realized that in-breeding resulted in physical and mental deformities so adapted that 'law' into their own. Another one was to let the land rest every seven years. The locusts in that part of the world have a seven year life cycle so if you 'rest' the land the year they emerge as adults they have a limited food supply which keeps their numbers in check and prevents any future 'plague'.

[thelowlyfisherman]

Originally Posted by ByFaithIC

I have always been taught that 'the law and 10 Commandments' were nailed to the cross. However, after careful study I see that it does not say that at all.

Colossians 2:14.... having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross.

The hand writing of requirement is the debt I owed for my sins before Christ died for them.

So where do we get that the the 10 commandments were nailed to the cross? Is there another scripture somewhere that I just haven't noticed?

And 'no, I am not yoked to the law' It wasn't until recently that I began to wonder about these things.

Thanks

Matthew 5
17"Do not think that I came to abolish the (V)Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

18"For truly I say to you, (W)until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

19"Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least (X)in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

20"For I say to you that unless your (Y)righteousness surpasses that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Our sin, and therefore our second death was nailed to the cross.
The law is still in force and ever shall be. Just as a fine is the penalty for speeding, death is the penalty for sin. Jesus became the payment of our debt to God. We are no longer subject to the penalty of the righteous law. We are subject to Jesus love.

[winsome]

Let us look at the case for the abolition of the OT Law starting with St. Paul’s letter to the Romans.


Are you unaware, brothers (for I am speaking to people who know the law), that the law has jurisdiction over one as long as one lives? Thus a married woman is bound by law to her living husband; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law in respect to her husband. Consequently, while her husband is alive she will be called an adulteress if she consorts with another man. But if her husband dies she is free from that law, and she is not an adulteress if she consorts with another man.
In the same way, my brothers, you also were put to death to the law through the body of Christ, so that you might belong to another, to the one who was raised from the dead in order that we might bear fruit for God. For when we were in the flesh, our sinful passions, awakened by the law, worked in our members to bear fruit for death. But now we are released from the law, dead to what held us captive, so that we may serve in the newness of the spirit and not under the obsolete letter.(Rom 7:1-6)

Galatians 3, especially:
Before faith came, we were held in custody under law, confined for the faith that was to be revealed. Consequently, the law was our disciplinarian for Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a disciplinarian. (Gal 3:23-25)

Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, was so glorious that the Israelites could not look intently at the face of Moses because of its glory that was going to fade, how much more will the ministry of the Spirit be glorious? (2 Cor 3:7-8)
What was carved in letters on stone and therefore described as “the ministry of death”. Answer – the Ten Commandments

For he is our peace, he who made both one and broke down the dividing wall of enmity, through his flesh, abolishing the law with its commandments and legal claims, (Eph 2:14-15)

When he speaks of a “new” covenant, he declares the first one obsolete. And what has become obsolete and has grown old is close to disappearing (Heb 8:13)


And what were the provisions of the Old Covenant? We are told in Deuteronomy 10
Then the Lord said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with them have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” So Moses stayed there with the Lord for forty days and forty nights, without eating any food or drinking any water, and he wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the ten commandments.
This shows that the Old Law is dead. But this does not mean we can commit adultery, steal, lie etc. Because Jesus gave us a New Law, written on our hearts.

Hebrews 8:8-10 quotes Jeremiah 31:31-33:
Behold, the days are coming, says the Lord, when I will conclude a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers the day I took them by the hand to lead them forth from the land of Egypt; for they did not stand by my covenant and I ignored them, says the Lord.
But this is the covenant I will establish with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord: I will put my laws in their minds and I will write them upon their hearts.I will be their God,and they shall be my people. (Taken from Heb)

So what is this New Law? It is the Commandments of Jesus:
If you love me, you will keep my commandments. (Jn 14:15)
If you keep my commandments, you will remain in my love, just as I have kept my Father’s commandments and remain in his love. (Jn 15:10)

If we look through the teaching of Jesus and the apostles we find that 9 of the 10 commandments were re-instated in the New Law. The only one that wasn’t was worship on the Sabbath.