[johnpaulpeter]

In the thread "Many are called, but few are chosen", soulheart 3 said I should state why I don't agree instead of calling Pentecostal Evangelist's post funny.

Sorry for being unable to reply quick. I don’t go to spots like these on the web too much anymore because I am finding they get cornier and cornier.
Now, why do I find PE’s post funny ?

I will have to divide it into parts:

Funny Part One – PE said: “The truth is everyone everywhere has been selected (chosen) BY God according to his perfect will to have an opportunity to hear the uncompromised, cleansing redeeming heart healing life changing full Gospel message of the cross of Jesus Christ.”

Funny. Because he begins with “The truth is”. How does he know it is the truth ? In his mind it is the truth, but not in my mind, certainly not in Watchman’s mind, and most certainly not in mysterman’s mind. He shuts everybody out as deceived, and him alone having knowledge of what “the truth” is.

And what he says is “the truth” is immediately negated by logic. Because if everyone everywhere has been chosen by God for the purpose of hearing the uncompromised, cleansing, redeeming, heart healing life changing full Gospel message of the cross of Jesus Christ, what of the babies that die before birth, or are aborted in their early stages. What of those who lived before the spoken and written Gospel ever began to be read and preached and heard, of those in the farthest away islands who lived at the time when the Romans thought the earth was flat, and the Greeks thought the earth was carried on the shoulders of one of their gods ?

THEY NEVER HEARD.

And so, God failed in His purpose for ALL whom He has chosen.

Yet God many times in the Bible proclaims that what He purposes He shall make come to pass !

But not according to PE's doctrine and logic.

Funny Part Two:
And this IS happening all over the world, in even the most remote regions OF the entire world.

Funny because PE speaks with authority on something He cannot prove ! How does he know this is happening in Mongolia, for instance, or in the North Pole ? Or the South Pole ? Or in the deepest corners of the Amazon basin ?
Here is the truth: PE and those who think like him are deluded !

Funny Part Three:
The other side of this is not everyone will choose to accept Gods free gift of salvation by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

Now here we have the spectacle of worms standing up against the will of God who speaks things into existence, and who alone has the power of life and death. Of created beings who cannot explain away the secret of the snow, or were not there when God laid the foundation of the world saying NO to the will of God who have repeatedly, over and over again, stated His Sovereignty over everything and everyone with NO exception. It’s like somebody jumping into the currents of the Niagara Falls and swimming against it, while crowds of like-minded challengers stand at the top cheering him on unmindful of the sheer power of the falls cascading over to the bottom and adding to the strongest current the frail swimmer is pitting himself against.


Funny Part Three:

The lost do not have to wait for God to choose them, they have already been chosen by God, all the lost have to do is choose to believe that fact, and then choose to be accepted (chosen) by God.

Where are the Scriptures for these ? None. Nada. Zilch. Zero.


Funny Part Four:
As for the matter of one picking up their cross and following after Jesus well THAT is a daily issue which none of us do as we ought, we all fall short in that particular area, in more ways than one don't we?

The cross is your flesh, and that flesh needs to be crucified over against the absolute Sovereignty of God. He has stated in Romans that He will have mercy on whom He will have mercy, and compassion on whom He will have compassion. It is the flesh that creates doctrines like these that slap God in His Face and tells Him that His work of redemption is a cooperative work between Him and sinful man and its results rest finally on the will of man, not His will.

No I take back what I said.

PE’s post is not funny.

It is sad, and his doctrine is false and anti-Christ.

[Soulheart3]

You already know why what you said was wrong, I can see it in your words. Now ask yourself "Is this what Christ would have wanted me to do/say?"

We all fall short in our words all too often, and I have splinters in my own eyes/typing fingers/mouth that should be removed. But the POWER of our words can cut deeper than any sword. Keep that in mind if possible before speaking/posting. Consider the forum rules of only attacking the principles and not the person. You made fun of the person. I am sure PE can probably forgive you, he's been doing a lot of that. Thats something you could probably learn from him.

[Rose]

Soulheart, I do agree with your post. The power of words can cut deeper than any sword and that is why we all must think before we post and try to see how others are going to take our words.

I also agree with johnpaulpeter when he talks about people who start out by saying "the truth is...." and then they state what they personally believe the truth to be. I am not, however, singling PE out on this at all. I am sure that we all fail in many ways to say things in the right way. That is why I personally think private intrepretation of the Bible can be a dangerous thing and can cause "the truth" to run amok and become quite self serving to the person that states "the truth is". Maybe the phrase should be "as I see it".

God, of course, never fails in His intended purposes even if it appears that way sometimes. Since we are not all knowing and all seeing we do not always get the big picture of what is really meant in very specific bibical phrases. That is also why we get into these long winded threads where no one can agree. There is just too much of the "I know what s right and you don't" going on.

I very much enjoy reading the threads that are fact filled and not a battle zone. The whole point of this thread should be that we need to learn how to better communicate with each other and think twice before we speak--carefully rereading what we put down before we share with everyone else. Its not always what is said that is hurtful but how it is said that is.

I am STILL an idiot! Hey lewis I can call ME whatever I know is fact!

Originally Posted by johnpaulpeter

PE’s doctrine is false and anti-Christ.

Growwwwl NOW I'm the Anti Christ!

Originally Posted by jmichael

I am STILL an idiot! Hey lewis I can call ME whatever I know is fact!

Michael I truely hope that you get the professional help you need. Right now solider I don't think you know fact from fiction... but I still stand beside you.

Originally Posted by LewisM3

Michael I truely hope that you get the professional help you need. Right now solider I don't think you know fact from fiction... but I still stand beside you.

NOW I'm INSANE!

Originally Posted by jmichael

NOW I'm INSANE!

Michael,
You know better than this! God loves you and if you can't see that people here do then I don't know what you can see.

[johnpaulpeter]

Originally Posted by Soulheart3

You already know why what you said was wrong, I can see it in your words. Now ask yourself "Is this what Christ would have wanted me to do/say?"

We all fall short in our words all too often, and I have splinters in my own eyes/typing fingers/mouth that should be removed. But the POWER of our words can cut deeper than any sword. Keep that in mind if possible before speaking/posting. Consider the forum rules of only attacking the principles and not the person. You made fun of the person. I am sure PE can probably forgive you, he's been doing a lot of that. Thats something you could probably learn from him.

I do not have to forgive PE. The Lord is the One who will do that, because the doctrine he has been so fiercely expounding on this board (and I've been lurking and posting around a bit to know he had his rough edges before he softened up) is totally anti-Christ in that it presents Christ in an unglorified way, as One who went up the cross for nobody in particular and whose sacrifices in the end depends on the flimsy will of the individual to acknowledge Him.

This was not a personal attack.

This was an attack on what PE said. Funny is a word I used only to emphasize the folly of his principles.

[Soulheart3]

Originally Posted by johnpaulpeter

I do not have to forgive PE. The Lord is the One who will do that, because the doctrine he has been so fiercely expounding on this board (and I've been lurking and posting around a bit to know he had his rough edges before he softened up) is totally anti-Christ in that it presents Christ in an unglorified way, as One who went up the cross for nobody in particular and whose sacrifices in the end depends on the flimsy will of the individual to acknowledge Him.

This was not a personal attack.

This was an attack on what PE said. Funny is a word I used only to emphasize the folly of his principles.

I went back and checked your post, and you are correct, you did not call him funny, but his post. I apoligize for infering you did. I hope I am forgiven.