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Old 05-09-2009, 11:01 AM
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I have another question. In Isiah 14:29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent. 30 And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant. What is the underlined part here talking about? I don't understand the serpent's root or cockatrice. Can anyone help me please?
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Old 05-09-2009, 11:38 AM
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I have another question. In Isiah 14:29 Rejoice not thou, whole Palestina, because the rod of him that smote thee is broken: for out of the serpent's root shall come forth a cockatrice, and his fruit shall be a fiery flying serpent. 30 And the firstborn of the poor shall feed, and the needy shall lie down in safety: and I will kill thy root with famine, and he shall slay thy remnant. What is the underlined part here talking about? I don't understand the serpent's root or cockatrice. Can anyone help me please?
The whole of chapter 14 is about Israel's restoration and Babylon's destruction.

Matthew Henry, in his commentary, says that verse 29 is a warning to the Philistines not to be excited that King Uzziah, their enemy from Judah, is dead. God warns them that through the serpent's root (the lineage of David) that a cockatrice (or viper, which is worse than an ordinary snake) will come. This would be King Hezekiah.

So to me that means, "You think King Uzziah whooped your behind?!?!? Just wait until you meet King Hezekiah!! Your days are numbered!!"

God goes on to promise that the poor and needy of Zion will be taken care of, but that famine and even worse will happen to the Philistines.

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Old 05-09-2009, 12:11 PM
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The whole of chapter 14 is about Israel's restoration and Babylon's destruction.

Matthew Henry, in his commentary, says that verse 29 is a warning to the Philistines not to be excited that King Uzziah, their enemy from Judah, is dead. God warns them that through the serpent's root (the lineage of David) that a cockatrice (or viper, which is worse than an ordinary snake) will come. This would be King Hezekiah.

So to me that means, "You think King Uzziah whooped your behind?!?!? Just wait until you meet King Hezekiah!! Your days are numbered!!"

God goes on to promise that the poor and needy of Zion will be taken care of, but that famine and even worse will happen to the Philistines.

Okay, this is totally off the subject in a way, but if the serpent and satan are the same sometimes in the bible, why would the sign of David be a serpent? Isn't this a bit contradictory?
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Okay, this is totally off the subject in a way, but if the serpent and satan are the same sometimes in the bible, why would the sign of David be a serpent? Isn't this a bit contradictory?

Actually, you're right on the topic.

The word, "serpent", is mentioned 40 times in the King James Version. I looked it up on Strong's Concordance.

There are a variety of meanings to it and uses of the word.
  • Genesis 3 – The devil.
  • Exodus 4 and 7 – A sign of Moses’ authority. (God turned the staff into a serpent.)
  • Numbers 21 – The serpent of brass that God told the people to make and to look upon and they would be healed of snake bites. The medical profession still uses this symbol.
  • Psalm 40 and 143 – Wicked, lying people.
  • Isaiah 14 - A metaphor for a vicious enemy.
  • Matthew 7 and Luke 11 – A literal snake.
  • John 3 – A reference to the brass snake made by Moses and this time Jesus compares that brass serpent to himself.
  • 2 Corinthians 11 – The devil.
  • Revelation 12 – The devil.

The lineage and kingdom of David is called a serpent and a cockatrice here as a threat to their enemy. Those people who lived in those desert places completely understood the threat of a viper. It was a frightening thing to die a slow and agonizing death for a viper's bite.

God was saying to the Philistines to be as frightened on a large scale of Israel as you would on a small scale of a pit viper.


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Old 05-09-2009, 03:33 PM
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Actually, you're right on the topic.

The word, "serpent", is mentioned 40 times in the King James Version. I looked it up on Strong's Concordance.

There are a variety of meanings to it and uses of the word.
  • Genesis 3 – The devil.
  • Exodus 4 and 7 – A sign of Moses’ authority. (God turned the staff into a serpent.)
  • Numbers 21 – The serpent of brass that God told the people to make and to look upon and they would be healed of snake bites. The medical profession still uses this symbol.
  • Psalm 40 and 143 – Wicked, lying people.
  • Isaiah 14 - A metaphor for a vicious enemy.
  • Matthew 7 and Luke 11 – A literal snake.
  • John 3 – A reference to the brass snake made by Moses and this time Jesus compares that brass serpent to himself.
  • 2 Corinthians 11 – The devil.
  • Revelation 12 – The devil.

The lineage and kingdom of David is called a serpent and a cockatrice here as a threat to their enemy. Those people who lived in those desert places completely understood the threat of a viper. It was a frightening thing to die a slow and agonizing death for a viper's bite.

God was saying to the Philistines to be as frightened on a large scale of Israel as you would on a small scale of a pit viper.


So, the reason that the sign of David is so everyone wll fear them? or is this just for this scriptures purpose? or am I putting too much thought into this whole sign thing?
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So, the reason that the sign of David is so everyone wll fear them? or is this just for this scriptures purpose? or am I putting too much thought into this whole sign thing?
This is just a one time account in the scripture where God used the imagery of a serpent to warn the Philistines.

That's my two cents.

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