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Believe it or not ... the NT teaches us:

True saving faith = deep enduring heart belief
+ deep enduring trust + enduring obedience


Please note: "obedient to the faith" in Acts 6:7 and Romans 1:5 & 16:26 (NKJV).

Anyone care to see a page full of NT verses re: the necessity of enduring?
Anyone care to see a page full of NT verses re: the necessity of obedience?
Anyone care to see a page full of NT verses re: the necessity of practicing righteousness?

There is no one word (in any language) which encompasses everything that this word "believe" means.

Some Greek words can up to 40 different meanings, depending on the context.

Some Greek words have a slightly different meaning in the secular world than in the New Testament.

Don't take my word for it ... you need to research it for yourself.
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Believe it or not ... the NT teaches us:

True saving faith = deep enduring heart belief
+ deep enduring trust + enduring obedience


Please note: "obedient to the faith" in Acts 6:7 and Romans 1:5 & 16:26 (NKJV).

Anyone care to see a page full of NT verses re: the necessity of enduring?
Anyone care to see a page full of NT verses re: the necessity of obedience?
Anyone care to see a page full of NT verses re: the necessity of practicing righteousness?


There is no one word (in any language) which encompasses everything that this word "believe" means.

Some Greek words can up to 40 different meanings, depending on the context.

Some Greek words have a slightly different meaning in the secular world than in the New Testament.

Don't take my word for it ... you need to research it for yourself.

Sure if you have them handy.

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Obedience. Christ told us to "Do this in memory of me" (Luke 22:19), the "this" being to receive his body and blood. ""Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you" (John 6:53).

O am obedient to this every Sunday, when the priest consecrate the bread and wine and is truly becomes the Body, Blood Soul and Divinity of Christ, and I receive Him.

Okay, who else here is obedient?
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Sure if you have them handy.
Yes, I duz indeed ... I'll start a new thread about it.
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Okay, who else here is obedient?
Our small pentecostal church are obedient in this once a month.
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Our small pentecostal church are obedient in this once a month.
But do you receive the real Body and Blood of Christ? Or just a wafer?
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Yes, I duz indeed ... I'll start a new thread about it.
KOOL ! ..........
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But do you receive the real Body and Blood of Christ? Or just a wafer?
I'm sure you are aware that non-RCC adherents see that as ludicrous.

If this "real B&B" is in any way a valid belief-doctrine,
why has the most precious Holy Spirit not revealed this to any of us
pentecostal/charismatic brothers/sisters who are BACs and also Spirit-filled?

The same would apply to praying to Mary and the saints,
and many other practices of the RCC and EOC.

Perhaps, you think the most precious Holy Spirit
is incapable of "getting through" to us in blue?

On the other hand, if this is indeed of any importance at all,
why is He not "getting though" to charismatic Catholics about it?

Maybe, like Shakespeare said, 'tis much ado about nothing.

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You haven't read far enough; Shakespeare also said thou dost protest too much.
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I'm sure you are aware that non-RCC adherents see that as ludicrous.........
Yes I do. Are you aware that the Jews thought Jesus was ludicrous when he said it?

John 6:30 begins in the synagogue at Capernaum. The Jews asked Jesus what sign he could perform so that they could believe in him. As a challenge they said, "our ancestors ate manna in the desert." Could Jesus top that? So Jesus replied, "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst." At this point the Jews understood him to be speaking metaphorically, just like you.

Jesus repeated it and then summarized: "‘I am the living bread which came down from heaven; if any one eats of this bread, he will live for ever; and the bread which I shall give for the life of the world is my flesh."

Ludicrous? The Jews disputed and said, "How can this man give us his flesh to eat?’" (John 6:51–52).

His listeners were stupefied because now they understood Jesus literally—and correctly. He again repeated his words, but with even greater emphasis, and introduced the statement about drinking his blood: "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him" (John 6:53–56).

Notice that Jesus made no attempt to soften what he said, no attempt to correct "misunderstandings," for there were none. Our Lord’s listeners understood him perfectly well. They no longer thought he was speaking metaphorically. If they had, if they mistook what he said, why no correction?

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........If this "real B&B" is in any way a valid belief-doctrine, why has the most precious Holy Spirit not revealed this to any of us pentecostal/charismatic brothers/sisters who are BACs and also Spirit-filled?.........
Because you have chosen to reject it!! The authority and power to confect the Eucharist was handed down by the laying on of hands (Apostolic Succession) from the apostles to their successors, the bishops.

Your forefathers chose to break away from that authority, from that Church, and you chose to create man-made denominations, each doing what is right in their own site.

The fact that you are aware of this issue means that it HAS been revealed to you and you have rejected it. There is your answer. You have chosen man-made protestantism over the Body and Blood of Christ.

But, you can always come back if you repent and submit.

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The same would apply to praying to Mary and the saints, and many other practices of the RCC and EOC.
Each of which I would be happy to explain.

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Perhaps, you think the most precious Holy Spirit is incapable of "getting through" to us in blue?
I think you purposely block him out. Have you considered that God might be working through me to get to you? If you refuse to even entertain the possibility that I am correct then you are choosing to block the light from coming in.
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