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Old 01-16-2019, 05:44 PM
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Default The fate of BACs who fail to remain “in Christ”

John 15 (NLT)
1 I am the true grapevine, and my Father is the gardener.
2 He cuts off EVERY BRANCH OF MINE that doesn’t produce fruit,
4 Remain in me, and I will remain in you. For a branch cannot produce fruit
if it is severed from the vine, and you cannot be fruitful unless you remain in me.
5 Yes, I am the vine; you are the branches. Those who remain in me, and I in them,
will produce much fruit. For apart from me you can do nothing.
6 Anyone who does not remain in me is thrown away like a useless branch and withers.
Such branches are gathered into a pile to be burned.

7 But if you remain in me and my words remain in you,
you may ask for anything you want, and it will be granted!
9 … Remain in my love.
10 When you obey my commandments, you remain in my love,
just as I obey my Father’s commandments and remain in his love.


Jesus explains about remaining “in Christ”
● If you remain, He remains in you (v.4)
● If you remain, you will produce much fruit (v.5)
● If you remain (and you believe His words), your prayers will be granted (v.7)
● If you obey His commandments, you remain in His love (v.10)
Is remaining in His love the same as remaining in Him?

A parallel verse to John 15:10 above …
“To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne,
(just) as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.” (Rev 3:21)

Jesus overcame sin, the world, the devil, and death.

The NT warns BACs to remain in the faith
Do NOT fall away from the faith … Luke 8:13, 2 Thessalonians 2:3, Hebrews 6:6
Do NOT fall from grace … Galatians 5:4, 2 Peter 3:17, Revelation 2:5
Do NOT draw back to perdition … Hebrews 10:39

There are many NT verses which warn BACs to endure in the faith
until the end of their lives so they will ultimately receive eternal life!
This enduring in the faith is about being faithful (obedient)
to Jesus and His teachings. Yes, salvation is a life-long process.
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Is this a Christian forum, or am I in the wrong place?
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Old 01-18-2019, 04:30 PM
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Is this a Christian forum, or am I in the wrong place?
I already had my interaction with you before, and I found you to be both dishonest, and bigoted with anti-Catholic bigotry. So you won't be getting responses from me.

I can't speak for the others here.
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I already had my interaction with you before, and I found you to be both dishonest,
and bigoted with anti-Catholic bigotry. So you won't be getting responses from me.
Well, at least you're half right this time! What an incredible improvement!
I am not dishonest.
I am anti-Catholic.
Too bad you don't know that the current pope is the false prophet.
But, you will know soon enough.
Don't take his mark of the beast or you will be cast into the Lake of Fire (Rev 13 and 14).
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Is this a Christian forum, or am I in the wrong place?
Your correct on both counts.

This IS a Christian Forum, and you are definitely in the wrong place.


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Old 01-18-2019, 10:54 PM
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I agree this is no place for anti-Catholic silliness
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Old 01-18-2019, 11:21 PM
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You use these verses as though they somehow prove your belief, Born Again Christians can lose their Salvation.

In these Verses, you use this one word (ABIDE) as though it only has this one definition (REMAIN), when there are approximately 10 different words to define (ABIDE).

I personally tend to believe the correct definition is, to LIVE and or DWELL in Christ, which gives a more definitive understanding of ABIDING than the nebulous REMAIN does.

You see, Christ not only says We ABIDE in Him, but that He also ABIDES in us as well.

Heb. 13:5*
Let your conversation be without covetousness; and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.


John 14:20*
At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Joh. 15:4*
Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

John 14:16*
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;*

The Holy Spirit is the one who does the WORK (FRUIT) which is displayed in us, if we have no FRUIT we never had the Holy Spirit, and we are cast into the fire because we never did ABIDE (LIVE-DWELL) in Him


John 15:1-10*
1) I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.*
2)* Every branch (IN ME) that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.*
3)* Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.*
4)* (LIVE-DWELL) in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it (LIVE-DWELL)in the vine; no more can ye, except ye (LIVE-DWELL) in me.*
5)* I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that (LIVETH-DWELLETH)in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.*
6)* If a man (LIVE-DWELL) not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.*
7)* If ye (LIVE-DWELL) in me, and my words (LIVE-DWELL) in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.*
8)* Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.*
9)* As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.*
10)* If ye keep my commandments, ye shall (LIVE-DWELL) in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and (LIVE-DWELL) in his love.*

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.........I am anti-Catholic.
Too bad you don't know that the current pope is the false prophet.
But, you will know soon enough.
Don't take his mark of the beast or you will be cast into the Lake of Fire (Rev 13 and 14).
If God really protects drunks and idiots as they say, then you'll be okay. God bless you.
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......In these Verses, you use this one word (ABIDE) as though it only has this one definition (REMAIN), when there are approximately 10 different words to define (ABIDE).

I personally tend to believe the correct definition is, to LIVE and or DWELL in Christ, which gives a more definitive understanding of ABIDING than the nebulous REMAIN does........
Is that really any different? You can lose your salvation if you decide not to LIVE in Christ. That works for me. You can lose your salvation if you decide not to DWELL in Christ. That works for me too.

As distasteful as it is for me to be on the same side as that Cretin in this argument, you know that I have demonstrated many times that a person can lose their salvation. In fact, "lose your salvation" is not even good grammar, because one cannot lose what one does not possess. Salvation is a process, not a one time event (oh Lordy how many times have I typed that sentence). You will be "saved" when you are in heaven. Until then you are working out your salvation.


Tim Staples - What does the Bible say about "Eternal Assurance?





Does Salvation By Faith and Works Mean You Can Lose Your Salvation at Any Moment?


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You can lose your salvation if you decide not to LIVE in Christ.
You can lose your salvation if you decide not to DWELL in Christ.
a person can lose their salvation.
Salvation is a process, not a one time event
You will be "saved" when you are in heaven.
Until then you are working out your salvation.
All of the above statements are true.
Anyone happy now?

Some or many "doctrines of men" are in every Christian denomination.

About 15 years ago, I first began hearing non-believers distinguishing
between Christians and Catholics ... and I was shocked.

It is somewhat difficult to separate Catholicism from Christianity
simply because the RCC believes in the Holy Trinity.

Who am I? ... I have been a penecostal/charismatic for 25+ years.
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