[Soulheart3]

Have you ever heard of a situation where a person who speaks does so with the effect of stopping all return conversation through the force of his projected will. Then take it another step, has anyone ever come across someone who posts something with such force of will, its like they just screamed and everyone holds thier ears in pain, and I dont mean argumentitive, I mean the force of the truth of the words stomping out all opposition. Am I just amagining things? Need to get more rest? If you think this happens, is it a gift or what?

-Brad

[Dewayne]

Originally Posted by Soulheart3

Have you ever heard of a situation where a person who speaks does so with the effect of stopping all return conversation through the force of his projected will. Then take it another step, has anyone ever come across someone who posts something with such force of will, its like they just screamed and everyone holds thier ears in pain, and I dont mean argumentitive, I mean the force of the truth of the words stomping out all opposition. Am I just amagining things? Need to get more rest? If you think this happens, is it a gift or what?

-Brad

no its not a gift, thats why I dont post in alot of threads hear, I know it will end up them telling me I,m wrong, to me when they come off like that they are looking for a fuss,
then there is some who is right and you can tell it, what more can you add if that be the case other than AMEN! .....Dewayne

[NotFinishedYet]

Originally Posted by Soulheart3

Have you ever heard of a situation where a person who speaks does so with the effect of stopping all return conversation through the force of his projected will. Then take it another step, has anyone ever come across someone who posts something with such force of will, its like they just screamed and everyone holds thier ears in pain, and I dont mean argumentitive, I mean the force of the truth of the words stomping out all opposition. Am I just amagining things? Need to get more rest? If you think this happens, is it a gift or what?

-Brad

Hmmm.... I think I know what you mean. But I'm not sure if it's the force of their will as in a supernatural supplanting of the will of others or just the force of their personality and our inclinations not to take them on if conversation stops: sometimes there's nothing that can be said whether it would be inadequate or it won't be received. And as for force of truth: same goes IMO. Sometimes I can hear or read something that just screams "truth" at me and I'm so awed/shocked that I can't respond. But that's more insight or spiritual revelation IMO than the sender's will overcoming me.

Now to continue, when I was in satanism it was a popular teaching that you could project your will onto another's and supplant them. Satanism is pure egotism and you often think you have power and are doing things to influence others when you're not. And many would tell you that the sender has influenced spirits to overcome you... I can't say that's necessarily true either, our egos and minds are tricky things. Not to deny spiritual battles, but sometimes we see them were they don't exist.

Why are you asking?

[Soulheart3]

Originally Posted by NotFinishedYet

Hmmm.... I think I know what you mean. But I'm not sure if it's the force of their will as in a supernatural supplanting of the will of others or just the force of their personality and our inclinations not to take them on if conversation stops: sometimes there's nothing that can be said whether it would be inadequate or it won't be received. And as for force of truth: same goes IMO.

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Not to deny spiritual battles, but sometimes we see them were they don't exist.

Why are you asking?

Just seen it and noticed it in people speaking before and in posting sometimes too, just wondered if someone more knowledgeable than myself might know more. Any gift, whether natural or God induced through the Spirit can be subverted to the aims of evil, like Balaam for instance. I think on the power of words alot, even started a thread on it. I believe God created the whole of the universe through the power of His Word, his Spiritual Word. I assume many here have read the Dune series (sci-fi) or watched the movies on it. In it people learned how to use the power of words destroy. Now please dont get me wrong, I am not baseing what I am speaking of as my version warped by too much sci-fi, I just see the power of words and I wonder. Speaking about Dune was merely an example that comes to mind as to the possible power of words, not in our time on this earth at least. I think satanism would naturally be drawn to anything that can provide power as they tend to worship power itself. Jesus cursed a fig tree and just a little while later, it had died. There are other scriptural examples, and I know some may say it wasnt the power of His words but I disagree. We all agree that there is power in the written word. Why woudnt there also be Power in verbal words? I think the subject in general frightens people, and I am not sure why, just wondering.

A fly swotter comes in handy every now and then. Ive heard those work well on occasion.

[Soulheart3]

Originally Posted by Heneni

A fly swotter comes in handy every now and then. Ive heard those work well on occasion.

Have you never used one? The are very effective in some hands, in others they are not. When I was younger I would sit on the kitchen porch and kill one after another (the porch was open to the elements) until they feared to come near me. Even flys can learn.

Want to elaborate?

-Brad

I knew someone who use to joke with his friends, whenever there was a fly around. HE would ask them 'who didnt leave their pets at home?'

Cute avatar.

I dont want to elaborate more, cause i fear i might hurt someone since people are always inclined to wonder 'is he/she talking about me?'

When someone 'dodgy' of 'unknown' origin, comes into a forum like this, i imagine that they bring pets with them. The demonic kind. Ya know..... Slap them with the bible I say. (or perhaps my imagination is slighty overactive at this point - need to ease up on the coffee)

Heneni

Heneni

Originally Posted by Soulheart3

We all agree that there is power in the written word. Why woudnt there also be Power in verbal words? I think the subject in general frightens people, and I am not sure why, just wondering.

Interesting. There is generally more attention payed to some words and others no attention to what manner and intent they are used, but are used by some to force their will. What are they? I, Me, We, Us. Small little words, to most of no consequence, no attention paid or insight to the context the person is using them. In some cases they should be ignored, however in other cases, they should be focused on. Focusing on those 4 small words gives great insight into the intent and nature of a person. Ask yourself after reading some things, see when each is used, discern if the use is intended to bring you down to his/her level or bring you up. For example is ("I") focusing on his/her "achievements" and ("We"/"Us") used self-justify his/her failures.

There is a saying, "Only you can make yourself feel insignifacant".

[Soulheart3]

Originally Posted by Heneni

I knew someone who use to joke with his friends, whenever there was a fly around. HE would ask them 'who didnt leave their pets at home?'

Cute avatar.

I dont want to elaborate more, cause i fear i might hurt someone since people are always inclined to wonder 'is he/she talking about me?'

When someone 'dodgy' of 'unknown' origin, comes into a forum like this, i imagine that they bring pets with them. The demonic kind. Ya know..... Slap them with the bible I say. (or perhaps my imagination is slighty overactive at this point - need to ease up on the coffee)

Heneni

Heneni

When I first saw the avatar, I actually thought of your past avatar, the little puppy on the ball. It was pretty cute too, but I LOOOOVE puppies, actually I like dogs a lot and tend to call any unknown dog a puppy, if they are not growling at me. Well I would agree that demonic forces will always try and harass christians, and even more so if they are becoming a more effective unit of faith, for the forces of the evil one do not sit idly by waiting for christians to attack, they attack on a regular basis to try and keep us off-balanced enough to never be effective in the battles the Lord calls us to. Personally I pray a lot about it, sometimes I sense things even here, along the same lines. But I feel our most effective weapon is prayer, but as you say, its not the only weapon, bible thumping can sometimes also be effective. I think it speaks well of us here as a group that we are seen as something that needs to be attacked, kinda shows we are a threat to the evil one. I cant help smiling when I see the evil flee with its tail between its legs. I know its never me that does it, its the Lord's power through the words of people being used by God. And sometimes after fleeing, it will return later seeing if the opposition is still here or not, all the better for us really. Keeps us on our toes. My wife really loves coffee, me...I only drink it sometimes to help stay awake. I like juice mostly. Thanks for explaining!

-Brad

[Soulheart3]

Originally Posted by RollingThunder

Interesting. There is generally more attention payed to some words and others no attention to what manner and intent they are used, but are used by some to force their will. What are they? I, Me, We, Us. Small little words, to most of no consequence, no attention paid or insight to the context the person is using them. In some cases they should be ignored, however in other cases, they should be focused on. Focusing on those 4 small words gives great insight into the intent and nature of a person. Ask yourself after reading some things, see when each is used, discern if the use is intended to bring you down to his/her level or bring you up. For example is ("I") focusing on his/her "achievements" and ("We"/"Us") used self-justify his/her failures.

There is a saying, "Only you can make yourself feel insignifacant".

Reading this reminded me of what you posted on the other thread. That article... cant remember right now, but it was one of your longer posts. I didnt read it all at first. Read the first couple sentences and then badly skimmed the rest and read closely the last couple of sentences. But after someone else spoke to me about it, I went over it all closely, and it was really good. Good enough, that it would be great if it was required reading before joining any forum. It talked about how people manipulate others into following thier lead, and gaining power through a following of yes men (or women). I dont usually look that close at the words until the overall message bothers me, then sometimes I will look closer, and sometimes just keep that bother in my mind the next time I read a post from that person. My mother is very paranoid, and I dont want to end up the same way, so I try to be trusting until ppl give me reason to not trust them.

-Brad