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Old 10-30-2008, 11:47 PM
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Old 11-13-2008, 07:36 PM
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Old 11-13-2008, 08:21 PM
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Watchman could probably furnish insight. Without researching the matter, I will give you a gut reaction which may be very close to what is historically accurate. I am sure, however, that many more reliable sources exist which are capable of giving you a more precise answer. So here it goes...

The term "Christian" according to the same book of Acts was first used at Antioch. It is clearly derived from Greek, the language commonly used in the Eastern Mediterranean. Greek culture was extremely influencial even among the Jewish community itself. The very first followers of Jesus of Nazareth, however, were all Jews and initially were viewed as a "sect" of Judiasm and not as a distinct religion.

It is only when the movement spread to the Gentile world that the term "Christian" was used. The Hebrew word "Messiah" and the Greek word "Christos" are the semanic equivalent and both refer to the anointed one. Our forum, in fact, has a Messianic Jewish Rabbi who completely shares the fundamental beliefs of his gentile christian ministers. See our home page.

There is no question, in fact, that the earliest followers of Jesus of Nazareth certainly did not believe they were rejecting Judaism in accepting him as the prophesied messiah of the hebrew scriptures (the old testament).

In short, the "way" is probably Jewish in origin and the term "christian" is clearly gentile in origin. I believe that's it.
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Old 11-14-2008, 02:02 AM
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Old 11-14-2008, 06:22 AM
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It's too bad that Jesus didn't add to his words in Matthew 16:18,as follows: ".....I will build my chruch....." which will forever be known as: The Way or whatever! He didn't. What do you think the name is now?
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Old 11-15-2008, 02:41 AM
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The original name of Christ's Church is The Way as noted in the book of acts. Who decided to change the name and why?
the answer to your question is that Christ him self changed it by giving his life for it and if you recall in Matthew 16:when christ asked whom say ye that I am and peter said thou art the christ the son of the living God and Christ answered and said blessed art thou simon bar-jo-na for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee but my father which is in heaven and i say also unto thee that thou art peter and upon this rock I {christ} will build my [christ] church an dthe gates of hell shall not prevail against it. and i will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth will be bound in heaven and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earsth will be loosed in heaven. So Christ changed. also in Romans 16:16 the church is called by name Salute one another with an holy kiss. The Churches Of Christ salute you.
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Old 11-15-2008, 08:59 AM
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Old 11-16-2008, 12:48 AM
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I tell you what......C2F.......you really got some great thoughts, buddy! I have studied the Word and had also asked myself this same question.....but i found that when 2 or more are gathered in his name he is there......i then put the foot forward to say that no matter the building....no matter the title on the front door....i would preach the forgiving love and the salvation of Christ.....many people get so hooked up into the Denomination.....or the precepts of man that the message is soon hidden by a cloud of smoke and mirrors. Although i do preach and help lead a church, it is known that your salvation is not placed in a title. or a building. it is a personal relationship with Chrsit...and no other. therfore the changing of names and those who feel that their building or title is the only way are doing so to feel superior to others. And in all do respect...nothing could be further from the teachings of Christ
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Old 11-16-2008, 04:33 PM
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I will give you the keys of the kingdom
This extract was taken from the post of shonika8 quoting, of course, Matthew 16. The pertinent question is to whom was Christ referring by the term "you". The Petrine theory of the Roman Catholic Church answers that question in a way consistent with its view that Peter was indeed the first leader of the Church having been appointed to that position in direct response to the faith he had just expressed.

The subsequent post of called2freedom obviously does not accept that point of view. The Roman Catholic Church is not unique in its claim to primacy. The Orthodox world, as our Father Harry will quickly confirm, considers itself the mother church of Christianity and there is little doubt that Orthodox Christianity did much to lay the entire intellectual foundation for the movement. That segment of Christianity also characterizes itself as "one, holy, catholic and apostolic" the term "catholic" is Greek meaning universal. The Anglican communion in its Book of Common Prayer characterizes itself in precisely the same way; "one, holy, catholic and apostolic." Each of those segments of Christianity in fact believes that it possesses the fullness of the ordinary means of salvation through their sacramental systems which dispense the fruits of the redemptive graces of Christ. The Armenian Church is also of ancient origin which likewise traces its roots to apostolic times. So does the Coptic Church largely centered in modern day Egypt. The general consensus in Christianity, in fact, is that the Church is indeed infallible precisely because of its divine origin - having been founded by Christ Himself. The great debate is precisely where that infallibility rests and how it manifests itself i.e. the Roman Pope speaking ex cathedra; through a council of bishops; through the Bible only (Sola Scriptura) or otherwise. The "Roman" Catholic Church is so named because of the emphasis on the place of primary importance in the early years of our movement i.e. Rome itself.

The dogma of the Roman Catholic Church, however, has a far broader concept of Church than is commonly believed and because of increasing outreach and dialogue with its separated brethren there is a growing movement towards unity. The many posts that I have seen on this forum express a growing distaste for denominational Christianity of whatever stripe. I personally agree with much of the sentiment behind those points of view. It strikes me that such dissatisfaction arises from the exact same motivation that longs for the unity which characterized primitive Christianity and will surely characterize the glorified Christians in Heaven. I welcome and encourage the continuing input from our entire community secure in the knowledge that all such is motivated by good faith desire to glorify God.

I do not hold myself out as an expert in Church history. As I have said before, however, there is no doubt that our movement was considered from a purely historical perspective a Jewish phenomenon at the outset. The early follows clearly did not believe they were rejecting the faith of their fathers in accepting Jesus of Nazareth as the Prophesied Messiah of the Hebrew scriptures. As the movement began to spread to the gentile world the "Christian Church" began to reshape itself and ultimately severed the tie to its Jewish root all together. I personally view that as regrettable in that there is little doubt Christianity and Judaism can indeed be reconciled. A perfect example of such is found in our Messianic Jewish brothers and sisters whose representative in our forum is Rabbi Steven J. Weiler shown on our home page.

Our overall objective remains exactly the same i.e. to unify our army on the march to the new Jerusalem.
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2: And desired of him letters to Damascus to the synagogues, that if he found any of this way, whether they were men or women, he might bring them bound unto Jerusalem.

Seems to be more a "mannerism" than the name of a church. Although "The Way" is outlined clearly and precisely in the pages of the Bible. Few find it. Most people are content to feel secure in the knowledge that their going to heaven when they die. Nothing could be farther from the truth, but that's another subject. Those looking for the name of the New Testimant Church should do a search for "The Church Of God". You'll find several references to it through out the New Testimant. The head of this church is the Holy Spirit and this is the only true church. What can you comprehend without this? What are words without the spirit of them?
Nothing more than endless debate.

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